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I know where you're coming from, but he's digging a hole big enough for Nigel to fall in.
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| Quote M@islebugs="M@islebugs"They'd have gone into administration somewhere between September and December 2011. The RFL wouldn't have seized the ground lease and £500k of supporters money wouldn't have been lost to no effect. I've had it confirmed by a rugby league journalist and someone close to Gary Getherington that the loan plus ground lease 'purchase' incensed the clubs and led them to vote for the new owner to be punished by keeping half the Sky money and sharing it between them.
Had the RFL not lent Peter Hood the money within weeks of giving the club a Grade B license, had they ordered an audit or an extraordinary meeting of the shareholders to raise capital, or indeed any combination thereof, there is probability that the club would still own the lease, the new owner wouldn't have been punished to the tune of £1.3 million and the club wouldn't be where it is in the first relegation season for years.
It was a bizarre decision, which only came out when the great 'Odsal vulture circling lie' was being told to cover what was essentially asset seizure.
The RFL are not the root cause of this fiasco but they have made it considerably and probably irreparably worse. They certainly lied about the Odsal purchase and likely lied again in respect of their role in the second administration.'"
This needs repeating.
Lets be clear. The Bulls problems are the fault of the Bulls,no-one else, it was gross mis-management from the peak of 2003/2004 (IMHO - this should have been the point in time we restructured for the long term, but hindsight is often 20:20) However, the RFL and others actions, whilst maybe trying to help in the best way, ultimately made things much worse. With hindsight we clearly should have been allowed/forced to go bust and reform before the secret loan and Odsal theft. It was help, but misguided help for the long term, that might sound ungrateful (like I give a.... before anyone bothers to call me on it) but the evidence of how misguided the help ultimately was is being played out week by week right now and will result in us being relegated.
Cheers to Adey, FA, daveyz999 for the excellent contributions, and cheers also to Mr Dweeb for filling up an otherwise dull hour. I do still wonder what would be happening now if Mrs Koucash or the secret texas billionaire had got involved....At least I'm looking forward to Saturday at the Eithad, should be lovely weather too! Excellent. |
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Dweeb is now reduced to doing his best Violet Elizabeth Bott impersonation of going off in a huge sulk, stamping his little feet because the nasty men are asking him hard questions.
Dweeb has posted NOTHING but this sort of rant for several pages now, and it is clear he is a busted flush, so Dweeb I suggest back in yer box unless and until you calm down enough to at least try to frame a response to something like 30-odd specific and sensible direct questions posed to you.
Tip 1: Responding to any question with some other waffling rhetorical question doesn't count.
Tip 2: Replying with "What questions haven't I answered" doesn't pass muster either. The answer is basically "none so far"
But you could start with my question as to your claim that RFL is not a creditor of OKB and whether their claim of around £900k in the administration is therefore fraudulent. Like all the other questions, you either skirt round them, like some border collie on amphetamines, or else pretend they were never asked.'"
As already stated more than once, the RFL is a creditor of OK. He personally guaranteed the repayment up administration of OK Bulls within 2 years. The £900k figure was lodged with the administrator because the money went into OK Bulls coffers. |
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| Quote Northernrelic="Northernrelic"The dangers of trying to be a good Samaritan - if you see an animal dying of self inflicted wounds just put it down - it will save a lot of trouble down the line.'"
Indeed, that may well be the policy of the RFL in future. But then the fans of the next club will ask why they aren't being treated the same as Bradford Bulls....... |
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| Quote daveyz999="daveyz999"There is enough in the press over the pas 2 years stating the clubs shared the Bulls share of the central funding.
If this was not the case, the RFL would have set the records straight, as the decision to let the clubs decide what happened to the cash makes them look weak and unbiased.
Do you have any proof which backs up your argument that the Bulls share of the central funding did not go to the SL clubs? Thought not!'"
Your proof that it did? |
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| Quote LeagueDweeb="LeagueDweeb"Indeed, that may well be the policy of the RFL in future. But then the fans of the next club will ask why they aren't being treated the same as Bradford Bulls.......'"
Why, will the RFL not advise the employees of other clubs to place the club into administration to rid them of their employers? This is all based on hearsay, of course!  |
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| Quote colly226="colly226"I know where you're coming from, but he's digging a hole big enough for Nigel to fall in.'"
If I remember correctly it's called Odsal - and is there already! |
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| Quote LeagueDweeb="LeagueDweeb"As already stated more than once, the RFL is a creditor of OK. He personally guaranteed the repayment up administration of OK Bulls within 2 years. The £900k figure was lodged with the administrator because the money went into OK Bulls coffers.'"
If we leave the £900,000 figure you keep referring to, lets look at the £1.3 million the bulls are still paying back the RFL (apparently). Was this lodged officially on the creditors report when the original administration took place? I didn't think it did....... Otherwise it would have (correctly) been written off as part of the administration.
Your figures still don't add up - the Bulls never received payments adding to £1.3 (excluding the sale of the Lease). The only evidence you attempted to put forward was that Gargoyle somehow lied on his administrator report (with the aid of his buddy Caisley) which is a pretty serious allegation to make! |
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| Quote LeagueDweeb="LeagueDweeb"As already stated more than once, the RFL is a creditor of OK. He personally guaranteed the repayment up administration of OK Bulls within 2 years. The £900k figure was lodged with the administrator because the money went into OK Bulls coffers.'"
YET AGAIN you dodge the simple question.
YOU SAID the RFL is not a creditor of OKB.
I asked why then have they claimed £900K in the administration, albeit at the eleventh hour?
Whatever personal claims they may choose to try to pursue against anyone else is a separate matter entirely. Either they are owed £900K as they have claimed by OKB, or they are not. If not, then I repeat, have they lodged a fraudulent claim, then? |
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| Quote Duckman="Duckman"This needs repeating.
Lets be clear. The Bulls problems are the fault of the Bulls,no-one else, it was gross mis-management from the peak of 2003/2004 (IMHO - this should have been the point in time we restructured for the long term, but hindsight is often 20:20) However, the RFL and others actions, whilst maybe trying to help in the best way, ultimately made things much worse. With hindsight we clearly should have been allowed/forced to go bust and reform before the secret loan and Odsal theft. It was help, but misguided help for the long term, that might sound ungrateful (like I give a.... before anyone bothers to call me on it) but the evidence of how misguided the help ultimately was is being played out week by week right now and will result in us being relegated.'"
Ergo those of us who stumped up to the £500k appeal contributed to the demise as well. |
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| Quote LeagueDweeb="LeagueDweeb"Your proof that it did?'"
He doesn't need to provide "proof" of something which is 100% common knowledge. Or, if you genuinely do not know this, then you are the only person who doesn't. Stop wasting people's time with such asinine "questions". Or do you deny that the clubs distributed the Bulls' share between themselves?
Seriously dweeb if so you have totally lost the plot. |
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