Regarding your question about using the payment plan.The answer is yes you can, I set up a plan earlier this week and paid the first £60 there and then and 2 payments of £60 will come out on direct debit (November and January I believe).Plus i also got my free away shirt that day as well.

Nice selective quoting there FA. You did, of course, omit the final sentence of the paragraph,



And indeed you do.

Thanks for that, at least that's assured me a little.

Indeed you do.



Come on then, share your suspicions. What do you not have the cojones to accuse me of?



Correct. I do not know the facts. Just commenting on what was reported in the local media (in Gawthorpe-gate) but subsequwntly not denied by the club. In the case of Jay Willey, I did, of course, merely comment about her length of tenure, not the ins and outs of the case. We know the length of her service so it is indeed a fact.



Don't be so silly. What you know about me in order to enable you to make such a claim is curious. Like you say, stick to facts.



Ryan Whitcut would be better served getting his job done properly rather than spending time on social media. If he was not so distracted by what others had to say then he maybe would not forget to pay the bills.



Ok. What exactly is your definition of a fan?

PS, I see you ignored the "Inconvenient Truths" about the club I posted. Is this what a "real fan" does?

No it is NOT selective quoting, it is specifically referring to the thing I specifically intended to object to.

But, you suggest that the extra bit you emphasize makes it somehow better. It doesn't. It makes it worse by adding "bloody patronising" to the mix. You are in no way mitigating your insult that all these fans are just "gullible folowers" who will sign up because they because 'believe all they are spoon fed'.

For your information, pronouncements by the board of Northern / Bulls have NEVER played any part in my decision to keep going to games and supporting my team, and never will. And before you start, I don't claim to be in any way some special case. I would bet the vast majority of diehard season ticket holders would say similar.

Believe everything in the press? Who is doing that? Where did you read the quotes you attribute to Sutcliffe?

The simple fact that Khan has had his bag carriers making a great fuss over his investment in his own business. Are the reports of these people printed in the T&A not to be trusted?

Is only what the club puts out on it's website or through social media to be believed? So when Robbie Paul tried to gloss over the wages being unpaid as an administration error, he was being truthful?

When the club declined to announce it had been subject to a winding up petition by HMRC, it was being open & honest with fans?

No one forgets about tax bills. They ignore them because they haven't got the money to pay them. The club had spent what it should have put aside from income received. This is a business less than 12 months old & already it's governance & financial probity is in serious question.

You blamed football for the HMRC pursuing unpaid tax bills. I simply pointed out that the previous Bulls went under owing HMRC £500k & within just a few months the new incarnation has left HMRC waiting so long it issues proceedings.

Ryan Whitcut has claimed another administration error & claimed that the winding up order being made public is an attempt to destabilise the club. I'd say it was the club being exposed as being very badly run & those responsible trying to deflect the blame, wouldn't you?

The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.

Your crusade to save us is noble, and we the meek thank you for making us see the light. All the heathens will burn.

However, it still doesn't change the fact I like to go watch the rugby, and if it all crumbles down again then I'll go watch them play Rochdale or Keighley.

Thie terms you use just prove that you are a disingenuous stirrer, with some axe to grind, since we al know that pouring your own money into a sports club, especially a rugby league club, is no kind of "investment", and running a SL club is not the kind of "business" that a businessman "invests" in in order to make himself a profit.


"Rotten"? Explain your use of that word. It doesn't seem to relate to anything so far discussed. Why is it "rotten"?

"Political tie-ups"? What might they be, and in what way do they make the regime more "rotten"?

Just to be a bit pedantic of something earlier in the thread, JCT600 also dropped City a few years ago. Perhaps the new Bulls regime got a record breaking sponsorship deal that was worth more with Provident. Perhaps JCT600 didn't drop us at all.

(I'll leave aside what Provident do, as that was done to death at the time)

You're a big boy & can make your own decisions. I'm not looking to influence what any Bradford bulls fan does. This is about the clubs owner & those he has around him.

Disingenuous? I think I've been quite specific & to the point. Stirrer? For dealing in facts? Pointing out relationships between those running the club?

What axe to grind?

khan bought the assets at Odsal & has a 30 year sub lease on it from the RFL. The Bulls are just part of the equation at Odsal.

The assets have & will be used to make money. Who has the hospitality catering contract, for example?

Pop concert & Mela profits didn't go to the Bulls as they were run by a separate company that took the profit.

Sutcliffe's whines about not selling enough season tickets... trying to guilt trip fans into making sure Khan could avoid further investment than his purchase price.

You need to go into the offices at Odsal & see the pictures of Khan & Sutcliffe going back many years. Khan has funded his political career.

Whitcut is Khan's long time right hand yes man. he does & says what he's told to.

Bradford is a Labour council. Sutcliffe is the Labour MP for the constituency the club is in. His office manager is also a Bulls director. Former Bradford Labour leader Greenwood is also a director.

Bradford Labour council provides an unsecured £200k loan to OK Bulls.

Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation.