Anyone else got deja vu? Remember as we plunged into the abyss with Mr M in charge and only began to climb out when Potter took over? Second half losses and lousy defence have to be down to the coach...

Where do you begin?

Really really disappointing performance. How did we lose after getting in a winning position twice?

We seem to be able to defend really well unless we're in our own 20m area and then we look hopeless, particularly down the right side. After the first 30mins we allow Widnes into our half for the first time and immediately concede a try a 4 year old could've seen coming. Our last 30mins should be shown as a masterclass in doing everything wrong.

What was FC thinking bringing off Blythe and Donaldson when he did? They'd both been amongst our better defenders and certainly looked more up to speed than the less than fit Manoakafoa or defensively dodgy Olbison.

That second half was awful. The crap set of six and awful kick from Gale to Ah Van and also that set when we chose not to go for goal but then ran it but with no clue as to what we were trying to achieve. It was total headless chicken rugby. Then Addy tries a ball steal under the nose of the ref and Lulia offloads to nobody. Argh! Stupid!

On the positive side I thought our fist 30mins was great albeit we could've been further ahead with a bit of patience. Sidlow and Scruton looked good and even tubby Diskin caused some problems. Donaldson and Blythe looked hungry too. Trouble was when Evans, Manoakafoa, L'Estrange and Olbison were on the field we were half the side.

Widnes showed how to be patient. They kept plugging away and stuck to a great game plan inthe 2nd half using a strong wind to pin us back. We'd do well to follow that example.

Is the problem that Francis Cummings cannot motivate the players any more? Yesterday was woeful and to see a plodder like Ah Van go the length of the field without any significant chase was awful. Perhaps we would have been better off if the first coach to be offered the job had taken it (now at Castleford).

Not sure where all this talk of Ah Van not being quick has come from.
He went the length of the field for us in his first game against the Rhinos iirc. The guy is no slouch.

as a widnes fan who has seen both games against bradford this season i'd say your biggest issue is fitness.

in both games you started strongly but tailed off badly at the ends of each half. Not sure if thats a patten you have seen alot but its noticeable in the two games i've watched closely.

It wasn't a great game with both teams making some daft mistakes but it made for an exciting game.

Close. If you replace the letter "f" at the start of the last word in your first sentence and replace it with "sh" then I would say you hit the nail on the head.