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| Thats what I don't get, how can a club cease so doesn't have to honour all it's debts but the new club claims to still hold player contracts?
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| Quote Gi4nts="Gi4nts"Thats what I don't get, how can a club cease so doesn't have to honour all it's debts but the new club claims to still hold player contracts?'"
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This has been explained numerous times in greater detail than I will put here – but the basics are:
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What you know to as Bradford Bulls never owed any debt. The players (contracts)/staff (contracts)/name/logo/history/agreements (for things like playing at Odsal)/Licence with the RFL and a whole host of other stuff you probably consider as "The Bulls" were infact (in a business sense) assets of the Bradford Bulls Holding company. The debts were not held by the assets they were also held by the holding company.
When the holding company went bust the assets were bought by a new company (OK Bulls limited) - but that company did not buy all the debts too. That is why they get the player contracts (as long as the players don't pull out under TUPE rules) but not the debts.
EDIT: Also, the player registration with the RFL is not a legal issue (as far as I'm aware) and is just something that the RFL run to prevent players being poached from clubs (as trade restriction laws prevent them from stopping you signing someone but they can set rules saying you can't play that person) - as such they can set any rules they wish as to who holds the registration.
I may be totally wrong on the reason for the player registration - but thats always why I have presumed it exists.
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| Quote Gi4nts="Gi4nts"Thats what I don't get, how can a club cease so doesn't have to honour all it's debts but the new club claims to still hold player contracts?'"
That's what I don't get. How can a club, who has promised not to talk to any contracted Bradford players, still manage to talk to contracted Bradford players?
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| Quote debaser="debaser"That's what I don't get. How can a club, who has promised not to talk to any contracted Bradford players, still manage to talk to contracted Bradford players?'"
Now you'll be confusing Mr 4ants.. 
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| Quote debaser="debaser"That's what I don't get. How can a club, who has promised not to talk to any contracted Bradford players, still manage to talk to contracted Bradford players?'"
Did they promise not to talk to them, or promise not to approach them ? If its the latter and the player's agent approached them then.......
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| Quote TheOmen="TheOmen"
EDIT: Also, the player registration with the RFL is not a legal issue (as far as I'm aware) and is just something that the RFL run to prevent players being poached from clubs (as trade restriction laws prevent them from stopping you signing someone but they can set rules saying you can't play that person) - as such they can set any rules they wish as to who holds the registration.
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If that's the case there could be a counter-argument that an organisation which is not an RFL member can not hold the playing registration. At the point of sale BBHL ceased to be members of the RFL. Have OK Bulls been officially ratified as a member of the RFL yet ?
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| So, what's the current argument;
How can agents break a non-binding gentlemen's agreement not to facilitate the hasty poaching of players who will soon be out of contract/out of a job?
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How can a club with legally binding contracts with suppliers, staff and players, run a business using a model where they knew those contracts could not be honoured?
Who are the baddies in this soap opera? Doesn't sound like Koppy.
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| 1 - Koppy was not soon to be out of contract or job. Where was this a given?
2 - If you are alleging that the directors of the club deliberately ran it whilst knowingly insolvent (which is an offence) then either take your evidence to the police or the administrator, or consult your lawyer regarding the possibility of impending libel action.
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| I didn't make a statement, I asked a question. Still, I await my summons - won't hold my breath!
Are you saying that the directors didn't notice that they hadn't paid HMRC, or the RFL and that they kept on running a business, where they hadn't realised that they didn't have the funds to continue?
Perhaps you are suggesting they are incompetent or fraudsters.
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| Quote dboy="dboy"I didn't make a statement, I asked a question. Still, I await my summons - won't hold my breath!
Are you saying that the directors didn't notice that they hadn't paid HMRC, or the RFL and that they kept on running a business, where they hadn't realised that they didn't have the funds to continue?
Perhaps you are suggesting they are incompetent or fraudsters.'"
No.
You did.
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"If that's the case there could be a counter-argument that an organisation which is not an RFL member can not hold the playing registration. At the point of sale BBHL ceased to be members of the RFL. Have OK Bulls been officially ratified as a member of the RFL yet ?'"
As far as I know what I said regarding player registration is the case - someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (which I freely admit I could be).
As I said, if what I believe to be the case is the case (i.e that it is not a legal thing and is for the RFL to make up the rules for themselves) then the RFL can frankly set anyone they like to be able to register a player. Considering that the rules also allow for clubs not part of the RFL/SL to be able to play in SL (and thus presumably be able to register players) with their permission then I don't see why they wouldn't say clubs who aren't members can also register play contracts.
Also considering that they arrange an "agreement" from the other clubs not to poach our players (all after we stopped being members of the RFL) then I would guess they are of the opinion we do still hold the registration - again though this is just a guess on what has been said publicly and I don' have access to the full rules behind registering players.
Presuming that they do say we can maintain the player registration we previously had, then we will still hold Kopczaks registration, which means they could - in theory - prevent him playing for whatever new club he has signed for (presuming he does plan on signing for a new club and isn't taking a career change - which is a possibility)
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