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| Why not have a word with Feisal Nabahoo at Probiz, he is desperate to own a Super League team and could get u on the cheap
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| If only word of a SL club being for sale could somehow have reached someone desperate to buy a SL club. Did he not have enough notice?
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| Quote Bullpower2012="Bullpower2012"Question - Are Bullbuilder willing to move forward with fan based ownership whether in a consortia or in their own right if their members deem so? Ability is another matter and appreciate what is said about volunteers etc.'"
Question: Are you a member? If so, are you willing to volunteer your services - on an ongoing and regular basis - to help bring this about? And are you prepared to commit your services for at least the medium term, once the initial riush of publicity is over and the hard, greinding yards need to be made?
If you are, we need to hear from you.
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| Quote MDF="MDF"If there were such a groundswell, certainly most of the current committee would not be able to take it forward - but that's a different issue.'"
Indeed. But that is not to say there is any lack of ability. Far from it. My personal view is that the range of ability and enthiusiasm and skills represented acros the Bullbuilder board is quite exceptional, and would make a pretty decent management team of a commercial business. And its a group of people I have been very proud to work with and be a small part of.
No, the issue would be the time commitment; and I guess the motivation, especially when the brickbats started flying, as they inevitably would.
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| Quote MDF="MDF"What do you mean by "are BullBuilder willing..."? Do you mean the committee or the members? Anything like this would have to come from a substantial number (the majority) of the members, not from the committee, and certainly not from outsiders making noises about what an organisation they never bothered to join in the first place [ishould[/i be doing (general comment - [unot[/u aimed at you or other individuals in particular). There has been no such groundswell from the members.
If there were such a groundswell, certainly most of the current committee would not be able to take it forward - but that's a different issue.'"
I assume that bull builder is run along the lines of a membership association so the members need to vote to agree rule change - assume its in the constitution? I did qualify my question with if the members so deemed
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| Just for the record I am a member, and if I am honest should have joined years ago - so apologies for my shortsightedness.
The work the organisation does and it objectives are clear and will hopefully still be required for years to come as a active youth policy is both one of the reasons we have had a better year on the pitch and will always be needed for a sustainable long term future even if we did have a wealthy backer - which we don't.
I could well be wrong but feel there are still a large number of fans in Bradford who - according to their means - would like to maintain a vibrant RL club in the city and though it would be nice to be in SL i think many just want to have a Bradford team to support. At the moment most of us just feel like bystanders watching a car crash and are looking for a mechanism to help both practically and financially. BB is already set up so it seems a logical structure to channel the fans interest through?
So two questions:
1) Would BB members be willing for the organisation to be used to facilitate a potential fans investment in the club?
2) If you haven't joined BB already why not? The annual fee is only £10 - which is cheap even by recent season ticket standards!
The other points about BB is that it is a one member on vote organisation - so as a vehicle for fans - who will have widely varying means its a vehicle which would allow people to contribute to the cause as they are able but to have a equal say with all the other members; and that it is already in existence so cutting the tinme required to set up an organsation from scratch when time is at a premium already.
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"Question: Are you a member? If so, are you willing to volunteer your services - on an ongoing and regular basis - to help bring this about? And are you prepared to commit your services for at least the medium term, once the initial riush of publicity is over and the hard, greinding yards need to be made?
If you are, we need to hear from you.'"
Guys - don't get tetchy, I'm asking valid questions no way design to incite and ridicule, more to prode and poke the boundaries of what is possible
Not yet I am not a member, at present the future of the club will decide if Bullbuilder continues to exist in its presnt guise, no SL, no academy, no Bullbuilder???? Can see little point investing into something that shortly could become defunct
I think my committment is summed with sitting on another sporting committee on a voluntary basis......
If Bull builder are willing to be a vehicle into supporter ownership of the Bulls I would gladly volunteer my services and expertise (if needed/applicable)
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| Quote Bullpower2012="Bullpower2012"I assume that bull builder is run along the lines of a membership association so the members need to vote to agree rule change - assume its in the constitution? I did qualify my question with if the members so deemed'"
Correct - hence my comment about a majority of members (or technically, I suppose, a majority of members who vote).
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| Quote Bullpower2012="Bullpower2012"If Bull builder [uMEMBERS[/u are willing to be a vehicle into supporter ownership of the Bulls'"
Sorry to labour the point, but it's important.
If someone as generally committed and presumably able as you is not a member, what does it say about the likelihood of the mass of individuals joining that would be required to make something like this work?
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| Quote Northernrelic="Northernrelic"1) Would BB members be willing for the organisation to be used to facilitate a potential fans investment in the club?'"
As mentioned, with a couple of isolated exceptions (perhaps including you?), they haven't been indicating that they are. Things, of course, can change.
Quote Northernrelic="Northernrelic"2) If you haven't joined BB already why not? The annual fee is only £10 - which is cheap even by recent season ticket standards!'"
Indeed!
Quote Northernrelic="Northernrelic"The other points about BB is that it is a one member on vote organisation - so as a vehicle for fans - who will have widely varying means its a vehicle which would allow people to contribute to the cause as they are able but to have a equal say with all the other members; and that it is already in existence so cutting the tinme required to set up an organsation from scratch when time is at a premium already.'"
It's clear that our take on BullBuilder's role is slightly different, but I respect and approve the constructive way in which you put the argument forward - and the fact that you are doing so from the inside.
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| Quote Northernrelic="Northernrelic"Just for the record I am a member, and if I am honest should have joined years ago - so apologies for my shortsightedness.
The work the organisation does and it objectives are clear and will hopefully still be required for years to come as a active youth policy is both one of the reasons we have had a better year on the pitch and will always be needed for a sustainable long term future even if we did have a wealthy backer - which we don't.
I could well be wrong but feel there are still a large number of fans in Bradford who - according to their means - would like to maintain a vibrant RL club in the city and though it would be nice to be in SL i think many just want to have a Bradford team to support. At the moment most of us just feel like bystanders watching a car crash and are looking for a mechanism to help both practically and financially. BB is already set up so it seems a logical structure to channel the fans interest through?
So two questions:
1) Would BB members be willing for the organisation to be used to facilitate a potential fans investment in the club?
2) If you haven't joined BB already why not? The annual fee is only £10 - which is cheap even by recent season ticket standards!
The other points about BB is that it is a one member on vote organisation - so as a vehicle for fans - who will have widely varying means its a vehicle which would allow people to contribute to the cause as they are able but to have a equal say with all the other members; and that it is already in existence so cutting the tinme required to set up an organsation from scratch when time is at a premium already.'"
Nice summation, that, and respect your views and position. And you practised what you preached, and joined.
For the avoidance of doubt, the following is an extract from the Society's "Rules" - the constitution:
OBJECTS
2. The Society's objects are, either itself or through a subsidiary company or society trading for
the benefit of the community and acting under its control:
i. to strengthen the bonds between the Club and the community which it serves and to
pursue opportunities to represent the interests of the community in the running of the
Club;
ii. to benefit present and future members of the community served by the Club by
promoting encouraging and furthering the game of rugby league as a recreational
facility, sporting activity and focus for community involvement;
iii. to further the development of the game of rugby league nationally and internationally and
the upholding of its rules;
iv. to encourage the Club to take proper account of the interests of its supporters and of the
community it serves in its decisions;
v. to encourage and promote the principle of supporter representation on the board of any
company owning or controlling the Club and to pursue opportunities, and should such
opportunities arise to be the vehicle for supporter representation on that democratic
elections to the board;
vi. to promote, develop and respect the rights of members of the community served by the
Club and people~ dealing with the Society as set out in the Charter of Fundamental
Rights of the European Union, having regard in particular to the need to provide
information to members and conduct the affairs of the Society in accessible and
appropriate ways:
vii. to support and assist young people, through the Club's scholarship and academy
systems, in their aspirations to become and development into professional rugby league
players
POWERS
3. The Society may achieve these objects in whole or in part through an interest or interests in
companies or societies provided that the objects of the companies or societies are consistent
with the Society's objects. In particular the Society may acquire an interest in the Club or any
limited company owning or controlling the Club either itself or through a subsidiary.
4. In order to achieve its objects the Society may either itself or through a subsidiary company or
society acting under its control:
[i(a-c) n/a to this discussion[/i
d. establish promote and maintain for the purposes of the Society any lawful fund raising
scheme;
e. buy and hold shares in the Club;
f. hold and exercise proxies for shares in any company owning or controlling the Club
either itself or through a subsidiary;
g. promote means to give supporters greater opportunity to invest in the Club;
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