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| Quote: CalumLW "First of all, Riley was catching a ball and your allowed to go to ground with the ball on a reception of a kick or a loose ball, Secondly he attemtped to move when he realised when they were waiting for him, which is when they tried to bundle them into touch. The player wasnt running with the ball then decided to fall over, he caught the ball and fell to ground. I bet he wasn't down for more than a second.'"
First of all, well done on coming back with a discussion not another diatribe. All bona fide arguments welcome. But you need a new watch.
Quote: CalumLW "So
Hang on, hang on. I'm not having that! Of course he wasn't in possession BEFORE he was in possession! No player is!! At the material time, i.e. the incident we are talking about, he was in possession. Obviously.
Quote: CalumLW "2. Did he deliberately allow himself to be tackled? NO because he attempted to move cos he wasn't touched and luckily stayed in bounds'"
Staying on the ground is not playing on, it is stopping play. You are allowing yourself to be tackled. The fact that you are not, immediately, tackled because the opponents figure out what you're doing isn't relevant. The fact that you "attempt to move" after the event doesn't save you. You shouldn't have stopped in the first place.
Quote: CalumLW "3. Was it necessary? - In accordance to the rules yes because he was attempting to retain possession, even though we know what he was doing'"
You have to play on. Dropping to the ground with the ball is not playing on. It is clearly not "necessary" to drop to the ground to retain possession, as most games we see 80 minutes of players attempting to retain possession, without any of them choosing a voluntary tackle.
Quote: CalumLW "4. Did he voluntarily fall to the ground? - YES, '" .
Well, yes. So he needed to get back up immediately and play on, which is what he deliberately chose not to do.
Quote: CalumLW "5. Was it when not held by an opponent? - YES '"
Full house! All constituent parts of a voluntary tackle.
Quote: CalumLW "I will admit the spirit of the game bit was wrong ...'"
Fair play.
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| Quote: Paul Thexton "
Also, what would you base the points system on? Subjective opinion as to how "good" someone is? Try/Points scoring record? metres gained? Tackles made? etc etc.'"
Phil Clarke could be in charge of making the ratings.
Sam Tomkins would put Wigan over the points cap on his own.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "
Thanks to Adeybull for the link to the new salary cap regulations. Lots of concessions that Warrington will qualify for to up our salary cap, I'd even imagine we'd persaude the RFL that either Evans or Williams qualify for the Player Talent Pool one that will remove their salary completely from the calculation. Interesting that there is no "marquee player" exclusion that Leneghan from Wigan was going on about - looks like he spoke to soon in that instance.'"
I don't know much about the player talent pool but hopefully Bateman will qualify for that in our team. Will give us a bit more for other players.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "The way I would simplify the cap is to have no limit on overall spend but say each club can only have 20 players earning above X salary, and only 6 players earning above Y salary.
You then set X as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a first team regular.
Set Y as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a top class international player.
The effect of this one would be that the richest clubs could pay whatever they wanted for their very elite players, but you couldn't get a club hoarding all the top talent, because once their top 6 players had been accounted for, they were then facing a salary limit of Y for the any other player on their books. So the guys who were say the 7th and 8th best players at a top club would then be likely to move to another club who had space on its quota of 6 players above Y salary.
It wouldn't be a perfect system by any means but it would keep the top players away from union and it would distribute talent around the league, after a few years under that system you would hope that each club had at least 6 big gun players.'"
The idea is fine - as far as it goes, but it only covers [icontract[/i money from the club and not 'extras' , like image rights, from the 'perfectly legal' non club -connected, third-party sources. The RFL have the power to look through a club's books, but obviously not the book's of an owner/sponsor or business partner of owner/sponsor, who would find it very easy to 'lose' large amounts when paid through various company accounts and not even necessarily paid in this country. Though clearly I wouldn't accuse anyone of indulging in such a scheme, as I'm sure all clubs are above reproach on this, but it could be done quite easily.
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| Quote: bobsmyuncle "Its a good idea in theory but entirely misses the point of how the Salary Cap is currently being manipulated.
See Adey's posts.'"
You and others may think that it is being manipulated, but as Sally says, how do you know? It's really all pure speculation. Rival fans talk about Warrington being full of internationals but Saturday's team included Chris Riley, Mickey Higham, Paul Wood, Matty Blythe, Mike Cooper, Stefan Ratchford, Chris Hill and Tyrone McCarthy, none of whom are current internationals.
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