to be honest im still on the fence about herbert as think he needs to keep improving to earn a new deal as at times i feel he doesnt boss the show enough and think hes better as a stand off then a scrum half.but i think it could all come down to who potter retains and which posistions he needs to strenghten as it might be a case he needs at least one quota spot which would also put ah van at risk as i dont think hes been consistant enough this season and apart from his goal kicking at times has been very average.To be honest i for one wouldnt be bothered if we sign luke gale as hes got a good kicking game and esp if we decided to let ah van go we need another goal kicker.And before i get shot down in flames over my views i have suported bradford for nearly 30 years through the good and the bad times but just feel one good game against hudds does not make up for what has been a poor season and the blame has to lie at the coachin staffs feet plus the players as too many average performances this season

Happy to do that. A world of difference between having a "oh, FFS Bradford" reaction to the dustcart years that have followed the Lord Mayor's Show of the first decade of Super League, as opposed to the weirdly hateful and persistent need to define yourself by rage and bitterness towards a club who you are supposedly following for recreational purposes.

I think that the problem is, that from their point of view, [ithey[/i are the ones who can see the truth, whilst the rest of us, who [iI[/i would regard as more realistic, are hopeless know nothings who can't, or don't want to, see what's going on in front of our eyes.

They see a club rotting from the centre, destroying itself from within whilst the chairman, board, coach (and us) deny the problem. To be honest, I can't see any 'coming together' because I can't see any common ground. Their world, to me, is a black and white two dimensional binary place where everything is either right or wrong with no shade of grey, it is a world which I don't recognise; players are "Pish, pants or rapc" who "must be got rid of", money can be found to bring in anybody, whether it is there or not, and top players will sign for us, presumably just because we are the Bulls.

I suspect they see me, and others, as prepared to watch rubbish, not caring, and being blindly led down the garden path by the powers that be. Probably a bit wet, not prepared to see what, oh so obviously, "must" be done to bring the glory back. Two points of view divided by a common love for the same club. Sad really.

Thing is Bulliac, even when the trophies were on the sideboard, these people were still knocking around, spitting venom at the likes of Glen Tomlinson and other scapegoats.

Indeed. Spot on analysis by Bulliac. Anyone else feel they are the RL equivilents of the religious zealots who profess to speak for whichever iteration of God their religion is signed up to? Who profess to be the only ones to whom God has shown the true path, and whose mission in life is to convert those who have not yet see the Truth. Funnily enough, they also seem to have a desperate need for someone to take some notice of them, and an even bigger need for someone - anyone - to tell them "you were right". They simply cannot stand being ignored.

I doubt many of us really want to listen to or pay any attention to those religious zealots, but said zealots usually seem to have extreme difficulty understanding why that might be so. Maybe if they took their fingers off the "transmit" button for a bit, and pressed "receive" instead, they might find themselves starting to tread their own Road to Damascus?

I wonder if some of our own "Chosen Ones" will ever see the parallels, and in turn engage "Receive" mode for a change?

Once again I have reported you for your constant need to keep having a pop at me. Sadly, once again it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

It makes me wonder what on earth is the point of Mods when it is quite clear that they cannot upset good old Adey.