to be honest im still on the fence about herbert as think he needs to keep improving to earn a new deal as at times i feel he doesnt boss the show enough and think hes better as a stand off then a scrum half.but i think it could all come down to who potter retains and which posistions he needs to strenghten as it might be a case he needs at least one quota spot which would also put ah van at risk as i dont think hes been consistant enough this season and apart from his goal kicking at times has been very average.To be honest i for one wouldnt be bothered if we sign luke gale as hes got a good kicking game and esp if we decided to let ah van go we need another goal kicker.And before i get shot down in flames over my views i have suported bradford for nearly 30 years through the good and the bad times but just feel one good game against hudds does not make up for what has been a poor season and the blame has to lie at the coachin staffs feet plus the players as too many average performances this season

Bradbull's point and some of the others is fair. By and large most of what we've been served up for the last years has been poor and as I'm not a shouter or booer I've left Odsal depressed and unsure in what direction the club is heading. If some feel one good performance doesn't signal a sea change in fortunes then that's fair enough. Personally I did feel we turned a little corner - catching the ball and hitting the opposition hard - 2 things we've done fleetingly in for years and we saw the players actually grow in confidence and play real rugby across the pitch, not hang on grimly against the odds.

On Herbert he's no where near quick enough for stand off but given a bit more space and time by our forwards we did see a more confident player who went for his passes rather than died with the ball. We could go to Wire play well and win, but we could also go there and be 40-0 at half time. It's not easy following our club and I can understand anyone getting frustrated

No Mick he's in the main stand doing commentary now!


Seriously though don't know, got that sick of him and that lad behind us who moaned all match every match and swore never to come again yet turned up every week that we changed where we stand this year.

It might be the minority guys, but they make themselves a little louder than the rest of us. I guess it's cos we're too gutted to say anything when sides are running up huge scores against us. The best complaint I've had against me was that me and my mates were standing up to cheer everytime the Bulls scored against Wakefield last year!

But it does affect some players. In a 2002 interview Matt Rodwell explained why his high profile move to Warrington didn't work. He said he heard a bloke shout "Rodwell's a w##ker" at him during the warmup and said he remembered thinking "like I'm gonna give my all for you now".

Whatever your views are on Platt and Worrincey they deserve credit for rising above the booing they got, Worrincey for coming on as a sub last year and Platt when he scored in our horror show v Warrington in '09.

Critisism is part of being a fan but so is praising them where it's due. And after Sunday it really is due.

I think the point is, however much any individual has failed as a member of the coaching or playing staff at Bradford in the past five or indeed fifty years, none has had quite the nadir that those that booed Platt on had in their roles as fans and human beings.

Indefensible and plain weird to boot. However badly things are going in your life, can you please refrain from bringing your issues to Odsal (and this board, fwiw)?

Sorry, this isn't the easiest post to understand. Are you saying that expressing disappointment at the performances of the Bradford Bulls over the last number of years masks other issues? What branch of psychology inspired this hypothesis?

Think thats two very different points. I don't go in for booing the team or barracking individual players as I agree thats entirely counterproductive. However, surely this forum is where those kinds of frustrations can be discussed between fans. If the players don't want to know what we think then don't log in!

Some people do seem to take it too far and appear deadset on being negative but there have been plenty of reasons to be and not all their comments are misplaced.

Sunday's result was brilliant and a really good performance but it needs to be backed up and the team need to kick on. I don't believe it means nothing, even though I don't think we'll make the 8, they've proved to themselves what they can do. The effort shown needs to become the norm though.

Repeat performances are needed to keep the season ticket numbers up and the money coming for next year if nothing else.

Booing an individual player on to the field would seem to indicate to me some degree of unhappiness in the booer's life that may be exacerbated by the Bulls' failure to add to their trophy haul recently but certainly isn't caused by it.

Don't have any training in psychology but neither do I in medicine, and when I see someone laid on the ground with their foot pointing the wrong way, I know something is up. Same with the above brand of booers.

You know, this is the second thread in as many day that you have seen fit to clearly have a pop at me (the other one got locked sadly before I could comment).

And to think I have not even posted on any of the threads in question too. Your obsession with me is very worrying now. Perhaps you should take a break from this forum and let your blood pressure drop a bit?

Perfect explanation of why all-seater stadia are ballocks. Buy a season ticket and if the guy in front is a bell end you're stuck with him for a year and paid a packet for the privilege.

No ta. I'd rather exercise my right to be over there.

If unhappiness in life led to people booing Michael Platt, Odsal would be sold out every week and you'd hear the booing at Pudsey.