Is a win at Leeds out of the question? Given their current form and the clearly unsettled squad, I'd say not at all.

We can win at Leeds by 100 points, still won't make the playoffs.

It will always be a possibility until we are mathematically too far from 8th place, enough games left for upsets to be caused IMO - Hull was a must win game as is Leeds but if we can succomb Leeds i still think (or should be hope) we have a chance !!!

Loose at leeds, then it is defiantly GAME OVER

It is only GAME OVER when it is not mathematically possible to make the play-offs

Ok then, loose to leeds weve got 0.000001% chance of making the play offs.

There is still 9 games left for gods sake -all we have to do is win 2 more than Hull do out of them 9 and 1 more than Salford, which is still possible as i cant see Hull winning all of there remaining games (not saying we will)............

Need to take each game as it comes - you cannot write anybody off yet as like i said it is always possible until we cant make it for sure !!

Hmm. Five winnables plus Hudds at home, plus two Hail Marys at Wigan and Wire. So a par performance is probably four wins, leaving us with 24 points. Nudge just north of that and we should make it, maybe at the expense of Cas rather than Hull.

Suspect we'll just miss out, as in 09. But reality is that the last three weeks' results, taking more than two points off Leeds and Saints but losing to Hull is not far off taking no points off those two but beating Hull, in terms of where it pits us in relation to Hull. We need one more win than them from one less game - doable.

I don't think we will make it. Last week's loss was massive.

Odd that we'd put in strong efforts either side of a four pointer where most agree we under-performed. Not sure what we divine from that.

But before those games, we would probably have hoped to have beaten Hull and not expected any return from Saints and Leeds. As it was we lost to Hull, making us effectively four points off. We took three unexpected points though, so we're only a point worse off, probably the same as being level as given the state of our PD level most likely won't do. And in terms of Cas who have a tough run-in and aren't out of sight if we can get a win there, we're actually one point better off.

My money would also be on us missing out, but my money would always be on us not winning the league or cup, even in the glory days. The rest of the the field put together always had a better chance than us alone. But the unlikeliness doesn't stop me taking an interest. And the fixture list shows it would take a good rather than a superhuman effort to make it, with the possibility of a return to Headingley as a reward if we did.

Not over till it's over. Roll on next week.

The problem with the Hull los is it was a genuine and fundamental 4 pojter - check thetable as it would be if we'd beaten them. So, not just we're 2 points worse off, but that loss took Hull prety much out of the equation. (And yes, yes, I know Hull could totally collapse, and in theory we could win every game etc etc).

So to me that loss was us out of the playoffs there and then. OTOH stranger things have happened. An extreme optimist would point out that if we win every remaining game we WILL be in the playoffs, and that's true

If we could bottle our Jekyll attitude and make the players drink it on Hyde days, like v Hull, it would lessen the odds. I've given up trying to work out the reasons for having a split personality squad.

But whatever - I'd been going round bragging loudly that I was confident we would turn Leeds over (to much derision) so this coming week is going to be a good week with quite a bit of free beer