Who are the two parties, i hope its the Raiders and Bulls, this is becoming a joke now

we want it sorted out ASAP.

Once the compensation aspect of the deal has been put to bed which hopefully will be sooner rather the later I am sure we will move for a half.

In my mind I hope we could get someone young and exciting ie. Myler (Even on loan for the season) I don't really thing we should look at another import at this stage of pre-season

what happend to matty smith? he looked good for saints at the end of last season? Is he available??

was on a season long loan to salford last year and signed for them longterm mid season. he was recalled from the loan spell for saints for playoffs

I think the two parties are the Bulls and Orfords lying agent. I think then Orford will continue to talk to Canberra and Parra after he agrees his full release from us, could be sorted quicker if Canberra or Parra had put there hands in their pockets sooner and made an offical approach to Bradford (which neither club has done apparently) as thats all the Bulls are waiting for I believe, and failing that we need to sort something with the player himself.

Problem trying to follow this is mimis has been briefing only when he wants, to who he wants and what he wants for his own purpose, and any relationship with the truth seems purely coincedental...

You're right though it needs sorting, I almost feel like I'm a regular on your greenhouse forum trying to see if you guys know anything from your end, but you're all as in the dark as we are it seems

I suspect neither of the NRL Clubs are going to pay compo for Orford up front which leaves Madam mimis trying to negotiate an up front sign on fee with them with which him and Orford can sort out compo with the Bulls . The NRL Clubs don't want to be seen to be weakening on paying for"Old" players, that is for the Poms to do not them!

More interestingly, Connor suggested that quota/cap issues if move falls through are not a concern. Seems that the club definitely have the right things in place so that he does not come back and does not get paid regardless. Which lends weight to the idea that his contract has been essentially killed, but we hold his playing registration until we get adequate compensation.

Whilst I don't know/fully understand the ins/outs of player contracts but I'd have expect that the Bulls wouldn't have to pay wages to a player who's not in the country through his own choice/not fulfilling their obligations of being a Bulls "player".

If that is so, then would there be any real financial constraints on the Bulls [iif[/i Orford didn't come back/sort out a release of some sorts. Surely the cards are all in the Bulls hand, the ball in Orfords court and another 10 or so other cliches

I think the worry was that since nobody was willing to pay the compensation fee, that Orford would then change his mind, realising he had no options and come back after all. Considering we'd already filled the quota without him and probably already spent his wages, that would cause a problem. However it seems that this isn't an issue and regardless of whether he finds a new club willing to pay the compo or not, coming back to Bradford just isn't an option.

Although the best thing for the club is to get the compensation and use that money, I wouldn't be terribly unhappy if he ended up just having to sit twiddling his thumbs and not getting paid for 2 years because nobody was willing to pay the fee for him. The word "karma" springs to mind.

You'd have to say that if that plays out as you describe then the Bulls would have played a blinder.

I would say more like Common Sense business practice. Peter Hood learned some hard lessons when he took over from Caisley especially where contracts are concerned, so the Bulls wouldn't be playing hardball if they weren't legally sound. It seems to be partly money and partly principles in this case!

Orford may yet regret not coming back and giving it another go with a new coaching staff and virtually new team. He could have then given notice that if he felt it wasn't working for him would the Bulls release him from his contract! I'm pretty sure they would have done under those circumstances!