Is the malaise that seems to be sweeping through the club now effecting this forum.

Normally after a game especially a loss their has been numerous different threads kicking about. These have ranged from Sack the coach, keep the coach, were crap. Each one of these threads had the usual members of the [iNT[/i and [iPT[/i gangs fighting their respective corners normally till the bitter end.

What now seems to be very evident is that people just can't be bothered anymore . It appears that people now seem to accept that a defeat was just one of those things that were bound to happen.

IMO this apathy is effecting match day crowds no one I spoke to on Sunday seemed to be bothered we had lost and had been dire again in the second half. It seems that more and more people are having he passion for the club drained out of them at one time a win would pick me up for the whole week and a loss I'd be a right misery but now it doesn't bother m one way or the other.

Nail on head. af for Dave Cravens job

What actually makes the lapses worse is the fact that in some games, against the best attacking teams in SL, we`ve defended superbly for virtually the whole match, and to be fair no team is going to stop sides like Saints and Leeds from scoring at some point in the game. The defensive patterns are clearly in place, which makes the shambles of last Sunday (and too many other Sundays) so much harder to understand.

It looks to me that when we have 2 or 3 player off their game defensively and others have to scramble to cover it exposes a real lack of quality, whereas when everyone is playing close to their potential it's good enough to get by.

If the defensive pattern is right but being let down by poor execution I'd expect to this improving over the season and having less collapses, as full time professional players are going to improve even it it takes them a long time. Can anyone point to us getting better or is the set up just wrong?

Its getting worse because the players dont have faith in the guys stood either side of them. Good defense is often about collective self confidense.

Which is fair comment `cos if I were defending alongside some of our players I wouldn`t have a lot of confidence either!