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Quote: andycapp "We might be part of the EU but we are also a commonwealth country with strong historical and cultural links with Australia far in excess of most other European countries and I feel that the government and its agencies are wrong in refusing Bird a visa. If the refusal is based on his forthcoming court appearance then this decision goes against british values and justice. Furthermore when the government can pay for and supply a doctor escort to a guantanamo bay terror suspect with spurious links to this country in order to transport him safely here and lavish him with benefits coupled with 24 hour surveillence then it is clear that this government and its agencies have clearly lost the plot. Roll on the next General election!'"


Well said.

We should have special dispensations for Canadians, Aussies and New Zealanders in the same way as for displaced Zimbabwean/Rhodesian farm owners over all the other lesser countries.

As for the EU - we have no common history or values with the Europeans. Our legal system, moral code, broad economic policy, approach to land ownership and human rights are definitely not common to other European countries.

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Quote: Im not Ray Cyst but... " Our legal system, moral code, broad economic policy, approach to land ownership and human rights are definitely not common to other European countries.'"


No? I thought we had a whole history of empire building and colonial oppression in common with them? Still at least we've learning something about economic policy - neoliberal deregulation and privatisation is a disaster, land ownership - agri-business and the wealthy would keep us off the land and poison us if we allowed them, and human rights - torture is instrumentally ineffective, barbaric and contrary to any 'moral code', perhaps even yours? Although as you're a crude reactionary wind-up merchant perhaps moral dubiousness is the ground you're most at home on?

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Quote: mystic eddie " I do remember some time ago when his name was first linked with ourselves that a number of posters were less than happy to be linked with him as they did not want "people like him" at our club. One assumes that they will be happy now?
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Not really i think we made ourselves look bad pursuing someone who was very unlikely to be available. I don't think he is as good as some people have made out and as far as I can see neither he or his partner have denied he attacked her. Rather, in hindsight they would have preferred to have dealt with it themselves, but having got the police involved it's out of their hands and the police think it sufficiently serious to go to court.

Interestingly some people seem to think guilt or innocence is only determined in courts, plenty of people are technically not guilty of a crime, but have done something others would find reprehensible, whilst others are technically guilty of a crime, but might be acting in an entirely moral way (historical examples being Suffragettes, MLK, Mandela etc).

So am I happy, no, being happy about the club acting in a way which tarnishes its reputation for nothing makes me quite sad. Am i pleased he's not coming, yes, do i want him here in the future - no. Hope that's consistent enough for you.

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Quote: anarkik "Genius at work, pure revelation....

So basically you don't understand the law as it is practiced, concepts of justice, the benefits system or politics, nor have you bothered to read the thread. Not to worry eh?'"


Er and you do?
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It seems to me that the law that is practiced is determined at the whim of public servants and it would be interesting to see what would happen if Bird challenged that ruling in a court of law.

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So am I happy, no, being happy about the club acting in a way which tarnishes its reputation for nothing makes me quite sad. Am i pleased he's not coming, yes, do i want him here in the future - no. Hope that's consistent enough for you.'"


Fair point, well made.

Shame there are not too many more like you though. icon_wink.gif

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