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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "As I posted on Red Vee.
I've just watched it again. The tackle wasn't late or high. Flower is committed to make the tackle and no way could he have pulled out. It MAY have been a shoulder charge but it is difficult at that speed and camera angle to be conclusive. If it was then a penalty is all it was. As I've said the review panel and if necessary the disciplinary will look and take action, so let's leave it to them.'"
Not saying its late and you cant see if its high. It is though a definite shoulder charge.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Not saying its late and you cant see if its high. It is though a definite shoulder charge.'"
So a penalty at most?
The Wigan t.v footage is much clearer than the ones posted on here.
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| Well it's nice to see that we credit enough of the response we did this year. Makes a nice change.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "So a penalty at most?
The Wigan t.v footage is much clearer than the ones posted on here.'"
yep, i'm not saying it was the world worst hit, but against the rules none the less. A ten year ban should be sufficient
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| Quote: Saint Simon "yep, i'm not saying it was the world worst hit, but against the rules none the less. A ten year ban should be sufficient'"
Be fair, it isn't like Flower questioned Brown's attitude or the ruthlessness of the squad.
For what it's worth, I would be worried if Brown's public face of outrage towards a pretty regular occurrence in this sport, [ifrom any team[/i, is a reflection on the culture of the team he fosters - what appears to be blame deflection and scapegoating. However, I sincerely doubt that Brown really thinks in this manner, or even if he did that he'd rub off on the players - he's a professional.
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| Who put the Tackle in to Matty Bowen for Saints first try? Boom what a tackle that wasicon_smile.gif
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| Quote: Rommel "Who put the Tackle in to Matty Bowen for Saints first try? Boom what a tackle that was
Percival. But he flew out of the line once or twice and left a big hole, on one occasion this led to a try.
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| It's a tough call whether to hold the line or close down. It's hardly ever a straight forward decision.
There are those who will fly out the line, but I think it's different when you spot that there has been an overlap created so you fly out the line to shut it down.
AKA Sinfield in the WC semi.
You can hold your line but in all likelihood the winger will then simply stroll in. I was not there but just saying it could be a case of Percival spotting we are out numbered and having to make a least worst option call. If players fly out the line when there is no overlap then that's where they are taking unneeded risks.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "It's a tough call whether to hold the line or close down. It's hardly ever a straight forward decision.
There are those who will fly out the line, but I think it's different when you spot that there has been an overlap created so you fly out the line to shut it down.
AKA Sinfield in the WC semi.
You can hold your line but in all likelihood the winger will then simply stroll in. I was not there but just saying it could be a case of Percival spotting we are out numbered and having to make a least worst option call. If players fly out the line when there is no overlap then that's where they are taking unneeded risks.'"
I understand completely what you're saying. However if he held his ground then and stuck on his winger then it at least buys the players inside him a couple of seconds to get across and cover the attacking centre. By rushing up he was just leaving Burgess completely on his own.
For me it is always best to stay out wide because there is more chance of inside defenders reaching the centre as opposed to the winger.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Percival. But he flew out of the line once or twice and left a big hole, on one occasion this led to a try.'"
Must have trained with Meli for to long? He looks a lot bigger this season?
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Percival. But he flew out of the line once or twice and left a big hole, on one occasion this led to a try.'"
Both he and Swift are inexperienced as individuals and even more so as a pair. It takes years of working together to know if you are going to "go in" or "stay out" Which ever you do you really need to do it as a pair.
Makinsons was a great tackle on Bowen, but had the Wigan attacker spotted what Makinson was doing and missed Bowen out Burgess would have had a stroll to the line.
Difficult decisions, but have to made together and that will take time. Swifts second try was the same from a Wigan pov Burgess could and should have stayed out.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Both he and Swift are inexperienced as individuals and even more so as a pair. It takes years of working together to know if you are going to "go in" or "stay out" Which ever you do you really need to do it as a pair.
Makinsons was a great tackle on Bowen, but had the Wigan attacker spotted what Makinson was doing and missed Bowen out Burgess would have had a stroll to the line.
Difficult decisions, but have to made together and that will take time. Swifts second try was the same from a Wigan pov Burgess could and should have stayed out.'"
Makinson didn't play.
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For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Makinson didn't play.'"
I meant Percival and the inexperienced point is valid.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I meant Percival and the inexperienced point is valid.'"
I'd give you that one, I've said it myself. Our back line is quicker than we've had for years, but also a lot more inexperienced.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "I'd give you that one, I've said it myself. Our back line is quicker than we've had for years, but also a lot more inexperienced.'"
Easier to gain experience than speed! They will both learn and be much better players for it.
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