I agree. Some posters on here don't live in the real world. Every week they bamg on about how good our pack is but it getting beat most weeks now. If any team pins us back in our own 20m zone we struggle big time to get out which results in walsh having to kick deep in our own half which is very hard.

Alex Walmsley and James Roby are very consistent. Those two are virtually top class every week and Imo the best hooker and prop in super league. The others are hit and miss.

All but a handful of your side were there last season. Don't recall you even making the Grand Final. Must have been bad luck, eh?









All the form in the world means nothing unless you win the big banana. And there's a long, long way to go yet.

Perhaps my "belief" is based on the fact that St. Helens - not Leeds - are the reigning Super League Champions. In case you have forgotten, this club played far WORSE last season and yet still triumphed. I think it tells us something rather important about what this group of players is capable of when push comes to shove.



It's also the essence of coaching. We are not in control of the opposition so there's no point thinking about it. Like many Leeds fans you still haven't grasped a rather obvious point: three victories and all the form in the competition so far has secured you precisely ZERO trophies. Nor will such count for a single point in the Grand Final.

If you get there.

Because you didn't last season.

Perhaps you should be thinking a little more about winning the title before you carry it off?

Whilst true our three victories over Saints haven't won us anything in 2015 yet......you bragging about Saints winning the Grand Final LAST YEAR means even less in the context of who'll win anything this year.

Sadly for you, part of the unadulterated [uJOY[/u of actually winning the Grand Final is you can justifiably refer to yourselves as [uTHE CHAMPION TEAM[/u until someone takes the trophy away from you.

Read it and weep, suckers.

You can refer to yourself as the champion team, doesn't mean you'll retain it in 2015 which is kind of the argument you were making towards Leeds' wins over Saints not winning them anything in 2015. But feel free to keep embarrassing yourself.

Also you did win the Grand Final when push came to shove......that push and shove that lead to a few punches from Flower. Being gifted a GF by the opposition prop is realistically Saints level. What last year showed us is that Saints will need their rivals to get a man sent off for Saints to win anything.

Also you don't have to explain the joy of winning a Grand Final to a Leeds fan

2007 - Leeds 33 Saints 6
2008 - Leeds 24 Saints 16
2009 - Leeds 18 Saints 10
2011 - Leeds 32 Saints 16

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I don't usually get involved in this kind of thing,I almost said "wait for it now" when you made your earlier statement.good old Printer

Who?

The Printer the person you have been debating with.A prolific poster on Southstander and elsewhere on rlfans

Never heard of him.

What does he print?

Car park tickets? Milk tokens? Benefit claims?

The suspense is killing me.