I would think that was quite a confidence builder. It was one of the most intensive games of SL this year and we held up well, with 5 strike players out.
Plus 2 lost during the game.

If you can run them close in a game like that, then there should not be an issue. Put one halfback on the field and you get Turner back at Centre and we have an attacking threat in the middle and out wide.

No issues with anyone today. We should have tried a younger half with Lance but you can see why we did not want to throw them in at the deep end

Logical answer. Following on from that. Haw many times this season have our kicks been charged down with resultant 6 pointers ?

I said same thing today. We must have had most charge downs on us in super league this year.

But weren't you a natural half??

Would explain the difference.

Yes but it's no rocket science and Turner has played 6 many times. I think he played at 6 for England Knights.

If your getting charged down on the kicks, you take a extra 2m back. Even 13 year old kids can work that out.

If Tuner stays at 6, he needs to run the ball more. He's not blessed with the best of rugby brains and his passes at times should come with a health warning so he needs to be more of a running 6.

t's not the offsides which cost us this game. It's james green's foul on travis burns. Stick a real halfback on the field for us today, and we win. We can't carry on with this "stick anyone with legs in the halves". We need a halfback who can actually move the ball effectively.'"

Question, do you guys not consider Hohaia a half back? There's been a lot said about the fact you didn't have any on the field, but that seems to do a disservice to the guy who had the #6 jersey last season.

FWIW I think Wigan should have won by a lot more than they did and is a sign that they lack potency in attack and that St Helens, for all their injuries are a top team and will be shoe-ins for both trophies when they get back to full strength.

I'd say at best he can fill in alongside another more creative halfback. For me he's a hooker.

He's no definite position, which has probably worked against him playing time wise these last few seasons. Forwards did alright today, but we had nothing on the end of it, which is understandable with the players we're missing. Today proved that Wigan aren't up to much to me, if we had a full team it would have been very different as they were only missing O'Loughlin who would have contributed to a better Wigan side.

Last year Saints lost Walsh halfway through the season and also played without a recognised #6. Shouldn't the question be raised as to why the likes of Charnock and Hewitt weren't given some game time. If you compare that to Wigan they would have used Powell, Williams and Hampshire.

Surely that's about the quality of squad depth? I'm not saying you would have won or otherwise but you can't discount Charnley's absence because Manfredi had a decent game or discount Powell because Logan Tomkins did ok. Bowen hasn't played well so far this season but it doesn't mean he would have been poor today and Flower is arguably Wigans best prop.

I'd say all of the above are capable of contributing to a better Wigan side as well as O'Loughlin and although he's had 12 months out, Thornley was one of the in-form centres before his injuries!

I'd say that Saints have much more to offer but I'd also argue that so have Wigan. Roll on the next meeting eh chaps?

And if you assess the performances of the above that played today you'll perhaps understand why Saints have a different approach. Your 3 messiahs look decidedly average this year when I have seen them.

Really? So you don't think that our best and most consistent prop (Flower) would have added to that side? You must really rate Patrick in that case! Or what about regular England International and top try scorer for 2 of the last 3 seasons, Charnley? Obviously I accept he isn't as good as any of your own backs who can muster a grand total of 0 caps between them but even so! Surely he'd add something? No? Fair enough...you must be right.

Williams was MoM mate.

Might be bias when watching the game but I don't think he stood out at all other than the kick for Burgess' try.