You have no idea.

All the players knew Nathan Brown was leaving at the beginining of the year. did that affect the team in the first 12 games,

Kevin Brown asked for a transfer at the start of the season al the players knew it. Did that affect the team in the first 12 games.

The players got annoyed because they were constantly made to play in positions in which they struggled.

Did 34 year old second rower Lee Gilmour feel happy playing at Prop and geting snmashed every week NO.

Did David Faiumu a 31 year old Hooker want to play prop and get smashed carrying the ball in at first reciever No.

Did Kevin Brown a lightweight stand off who is game but not the strongest tackler want to be Loose Forward No i dont think so.

Did Grix move to stand off when he had played well at Full back all the previous season and be happy i doubt it. When he is missing 6 tackles a match it is bound to affect his confidence.

Who sold Darrell Griffin and replaced him with Tony Tonks

all of these and many more baffling ones are the reasons the players got unhappy with NB because they knew it was wrong, it was not working but Brown stuck to it. The team kept getting beat and confidence was completely shot.

The players were unhappy

Sounds like a mess, hopefully hes learned his lessons Saying that Millward used to love tinkering and that didnt work out too bad for us

If Brown was going home I doubt there'd have been this sort of dip in form. By joining Saints (perhaps because it was the best offer he had) he's effectively gone back on his word with Huddersfield which broke the trust he had with those players. As soon as you don't feel you can trust your manager all sorts of horrible things start happening. Hudds players thought he was going home but he wasn't.

How do they prove that? Huddersfield were dreadful when he took over. They've made semi-finals and play-offs since then. This is with a handful of decent players many of which he developed himself.

He's a coach, not a miracle worker. Until he gets the proper resources nobody knows how good he is.

I honestly think some of these hudds fans are deluded if they honestly think that there mediocre squad is good enough to win things!

In 15 years of super league, only saints, Wigan, Leeds and the bulls have won the grand final which shows just how hard it is for the "lesser" teams to win it.

Only saints, Leeds, Wigan, bulls, warrington and hull have won the challenge cup in the super league era, once again it shows the big teams have a monopoly.

The fact the giants was a bottom tier team when Brown took over and they have made a challenge cup final, challenge cup semi finals, grand final semis show just what a great job he's done.

I think these giants fans need to take a long look in the mirror and I don't mean all 2,000 of them.

Almost got it right

I agree some of the desperate Brown bashing going on just makes them sound bitter.

So NB didn't have proper resources at St. George then? No offence, but the money, facilities & player pool he had there would put any SL club to shame, Saints included. And he still failed.

Sheffield Eagles?

I think that was pre super league, I'm pretty sure saints won the first challenge cup of the super league era in 1996. (I think)

Eagles won it in 1998.