Laziness. They did much more work last year when we were carrying loads of youngsters. But then we had Jammer last year to kick their backsides.

It sounds cliche but he really did lead by example, miss seeing him play, was nice to see a forward turning games for a change.

Give it a rest you crying lunkhead before my eyes bleed. Whatever Hohaia is or isn't cannot be determined within a handful of games (where he has already played several positions). It's theatrical whiners like you who would have had Willie Talau run out of the team before he ever managed to show some form. Lyon too, probably.

Someone save us from Saints fans who make pie-eaters look like rational beings.

You can't actually fault anything I've posted though can you?

What Hohaia is could be determined by anyone who has watched him during his career. He's a willing player who's diminutive size makes him a worry amongst tired players or close to the line. He's been a utility player throughout his career, he's no halfback and was signed as one. I'm right on Hohaia, Jon Wells picked up on how poor his work at hooker is on the Sky coverage too, but I suppose he's a crying lunkhead too?

At least you think all is going well.

I'm not buying all this crap that we will be there at the business end of the season and look at Leeds last year. We look crap, utter crap!

You're playing the man, not the ball, Muggers.

I don't post much these days, but that performance got me out of my bath-chair. It was unacceptably bad. In fact, it was terrible. There's a very good chance we're looking at a run of 8 games without a win. While I could swallow 3 losses to Wigan, Wire and Leeds, the Saints squad is better on paper than Hull, Hull KR, Catalans and certainly Bradford. In fact, on paper, we're better than Huddersfield, but on the pitch they are light years ahead.

That was awful stuff. Amateur in places. Forwards who couldn't get past the PTB, half-backs who couldn't deliver a pass to a running threequarter, and threequarters who - on the rare occasions they got the ball - had all the penetration of an impotent panda. Awful. Awful.

Something needs to change, fast, or this will be our equivalent of the season the pies had to cheat to avoid relegation. I don't care if it's firing the coach or whipping some players, but something has to change. I'm all booked up to bring the family up for the game against Wigan, and after tonight, I'm a bit unsure as to whetehr I can bear to put myself through watching us get hammered by 40 points.

Exactly !remember what was being said about MacDermott and Leeds last season

Just seen this thread and I had a little chuckle to myself.

Cast your minds back to this time last year and my team Leeds were in a very similar position and look what happened. Its a blip and it'll turn around. You'll get nowhere if you kick the coach out now.

Really??

Controversial.

At one point I'm sure the caption on Sky said that Hohaia had made 52 tackles and he made several more after that. If Roby had made that many we would all be going on about him being a machine.

Hohaia did the same last week. It's not his defence that is a problem. In fact, the team's defence is good (bar against kicks, but that's been a problem at Saints for years). It's in attack that we are hopeless.

We were the same last season but with Robes and Jammer on board we could still pull off wins, although with a number of losses and draws in there too. I think we were about seventh in the table this time last year.

Top coach just needs time.All will come good.

I'd like to see his missed tackle and penalty count too though. There was one passage of play in the second half where he let Ben Jefferies waltz through a non-existent gap next to him, then threw a forward pass to cost us possession then conceded two penalties in a row for high shots.

Fair enough but, I think the 2 high shots he got penalised for were harsh decisions. Silverwood seemed to give a few penalties for high shots which, in my view, were not.