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| Quote: Stirlingshire Saint "There we have it.
Stuart Fielden at his very best made less metres, less carries, less tackles, more errors and more missed tackles.
Yet this guy could go really well in the NRL yet Graham not as good ?
Okkkkaaayyyyy........'" Whilst I think its pretty obvious Jammer is one of our players that could go well down under, have a closer look at Fielden's stats - he's got an average metre per carry of 8.3, which is huge. Add that to his higher number of offloads he (in 2004) is/was obviously the more high impact of the two.
However, considering people say playing 80 minutes a week burnt him out, his work rate is unimpressive compared to Jammer's. He also missed a lot more tackles.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Whilst I think its pretty obvious Jammer is one of our players that could go well down under, have a closer look at Fielden's stats - he's got an average metre per carry of 8.3, which is huge. Add that to his higher number of offloads he (in 2004) is/was obviously the more high impact of the two.
However, considering people say playing 80 minutes a week burnt him out, his work rate is unimpressive compared to Jammer's. He also missed a lot more tackles.'"
I don't think there is any doubting the impact Fielden used to make, he used to change the game consistently for the Bulls. However his stats don't lie. On a consistent basis he made less metres and less carries combined with less tackling and more missed tackles.
Consistency is the key for me here although it matters not. Fieldens game has seen his be a shadow of what he was when he should really be peaking right now, he is a complete enigma in the game. Funnily enough, I think a spell in the NRL right now could be perfect for Fielden. Sharpen up his appetite for the game, lay some demons to rest and regain his undoubted talent.
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| But he shows up quite well in rlthis comparisonrl with his old pal.
Since we're comapring "similar types of props", thought rlthisrl would be an interesting comaprison for Jammer. F*ck me, terry was a good prop - look at those yards per carry (doesn't look like he had to do as many minutes, mind).
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "But he shows up quite well in rlthis comparisonrl with his old pal.
Since we're comapring "similar types of props", thought rlthisrl would be an interesting comaprison for Jammer. F*ck me, terry was a good prop - look at those yards per carry (doesn't look like he had to do as many minutes, mind).'"
Terry was alright but 43 missed tackles? Its no good having great attacking game if you cant tackle. (penny anyone)
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "But he shows up quite well in rlthis comparisonrl with his old pal.
Since we're comapring "similar types of props", thought rlthisrl would be an interesting comaprison for Jammer. F*ck me, terry was a good prop - look at those yards per carry (doesn't look like he had to do as many minutes, mind).'"
O'Connor was a good player. It shows again how brilliant Graham is, his workload is amazing. O'Connor's metre per carry is impressive, but warped by the fact that he didn't do as much work as Jammer, which always makes it easier.
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| Quote: Stirlingshire Saint "There we have it.
Stuart Fielden at his very best made less metres, less carries, less tackles, more errors and more missed tackles.
Yet this guy could go really well in the NRL yet Graham not as good ?
Okkkkaaayyyyy........'"
Fielden would stand no chance in the NRL. In the NRL the other props, like Price, Moimoi are a lot bigger compared to him.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Terry was alright but 43 missed tackles? Its no good having great attacking game if you cant tackle. (penny anyone)'"
That's not a bad stat. Only two a match which is not bad for a prop who is putting himself about a lot. It just so happens that Jammers tackle success percentage is outstanding.
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| So you finally agree i am right Stuart Fielden and James Graham are two different types of Prop Forward and therefore cannot really be compared with each other to an extent...
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "But he shows up quite well in rlthis comparisonrl with his old pal.
Since we're comapring "similar types of props", thought rlthisrl would be an interesting comaprison for Jammer. F*ck me, terry was a good prop - look at those yards per carry (doesn't look like he had to do as many minutes, mind).'"
If Terry was a good prop, then Jammer is world class, he's outplayed O'Connor in almost every stat.
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| Quote: The Joker® "So you finally agree i am right Stuart Fielden and James Graham are two different types of Prop Forward and therefore cannot really be compared with each other to an extent...'" The stats seem to confirm this
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| Quote: Saint Simon "The stats seem to confirm this'"
At least we got there in the end...
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| Quote: ~ No1 Saints Fan ~ "If Terry was a good prop, then Jammer is world class, he's outplayed O'Connor in almost every stat.'" Who's better, a prop that makes 500 carries for 3000m or one that make 250 carries for 2000m?
Jammer's high number of carries are somewhat forced upon him due to him normally being our only fully fit prop and playing longer minutes than other props, something that's not particulary indicitive of their ability.
Graham does have a huge work rate anyway, which is displayed when your regulary see him chase back to cover breaks and covering kicks through - that's not covered in stats.
Don't just look at the stats and say - he's better cause those numbers are higher and these are lower.
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| Quote: The Joker® "At least we got there in the end...
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| Quote: Saint Simon "graham is still better than Stuart Fielden at this moment in time.
Yes i totally agree...
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