He was voted englands joint second best player behind Peacock by the press for last years world cup, not a very high benchmark but better than the rest.

Mcguire's treatment by the crowd on Saturday was absolutely disgusting! The lad was trying his best but it just wasn't his day and everything he tried didn't come off, its 1 of the worst games i have ever seen him have.
However, i would be very surprised if Tony Smith drops him for this 1 on sat because it is just like him to be outstanding on sat.

The people that booed him off are not rugby fans, you never ever treat 1 of your own players who is trying his best like this! Why do these idiots even go to watch the game. Just because he's a pro rugby league player it doesnt mean that the guy isnt human and he doesnt have feelings.

Mcguire will be playing on sat so if you lot dnt like it, then dont turn up!!!!

His kicks were pretty effective in this year's grand Final.

McGuire had a poor game Saturday, I won't argue with that. He deserved selection because, quite simply, over the course of the season he was head and shoulders the best stand off. Whether one poor game last Saturday means he loses his place remains to be seen.

I think 'judgement' on this site is clouded simply by which club he plays for. There are some Saints fans who are desperate to get one over on Leeds, and this will do nicely.

McGuire has a good deal further to sink before he reaches the performance abyss standard set by Ade Gardner's comedy efforts in the WC last year.

Except in the last 15 mins of that game the half back combination was actually Sinfield and Tomkins, with Eastmond playing a roving role from the right centre. But you're right, we did look better with Sinfield and Tomkins as halves. Just as we looked better with Sinfield at 9.

So has every other GB/England player, can that excuse be used for the likes of Pryce and Wellens for example? He's also had two poor games this series, I also think your definition of outstanding is different to mine.

He's never looked to be anything more than a support player at international level for me, whilst he has added other skills to his game at SL level, he hasn't been able to transfer them to a higher level with anything near the quality or consistency necessary to be labelled as 'outstanding'. His decision making has been mostly poor, and is worse when he has to think about what he's doing. That's no good when you are in one of the three key creative positions on the pitch. He's getting past the age where the term potential can still be used, he should be reaching his peak around now. He's not lived up to his early potential so far, no where near.

It's not helped him however having been part of a half back combination that is chopped and changed every other game. For one series I'd like to see a coach pick a half back combination and leave them there for the duration.

Putting long slow kicks in to Wellens and Meli is completely different to having Slater underneath them.

It was the correct decision to drop Gardner from the squad this year, you'll not find many Saints fans disagreeing with you. Though what do his poor performances have to do with McGuire?

It is but that doesn't make the statement that he "has no kicking game" any more accurate.

He does have a kicking game. A decent one. At international level, when playing against the worlds' best his kicking game might not be good enough but then again when has any aspect of any English/GB player been good enough when up against the Aussies in the last 30 years.

We can only go with the best that we've got and that is what we've done. No point getting knickers in a twist if the best isn't good enough, which it isn't. We must recognise that the whole game needs to improve and that all other clubs must follow the lead set by leeds and Saints in producing young, British players. From an England standpoint I am pleased that there seems to finally be some competition for the halves with McGuire, Eastmond, Myler, Tomkins, Burrow and if he gets back on form Pryce. think back a few years when it was either Long or deacon and .......erm.....well.....erm.

We need that kind of depth and more besides in all positions.

That is the discussion we should be having.

Alternatively, keep taking some perverse pleasure out of McGuire's failings as an England player because you couldn't scratch that itch while he was a Leeds player.

because the thing that all these comments on here, the VT and Wigans' forum spectacularly miss is that McGuire, Smith Sinfield and other others are playing for the team you support as much as I now and I gain no pleasure from the failings of any of England's players.

There is a pot, kettle & a bit of black in there somewhere.

Nail head.

Come on admit it, you've been waiting for the ideal opportunity to have a go for the past 3 season. Mcguires crap performance has done nicely.

More teams should be doing more to promote youth development. Seeing as pretty much everyone wants that, discussion over
because the thing that all these comments on here, the VT and Wigans' forum spectacularly miss is that McGuire, Smith Sinfield and other others are playing for the team you support as much as I now and I gain no pleasure from the failings of any of England's players.'"

Well you seem to be putting down "Your" England half-back, Sam Tomkins at every opportunity. Espescially from the comfort of your own Leeds forum where you can get ready support from similarly minded one-eyed Leeds fans. Maybe you should practice what you preach and actually have a go at supporting him...a radical idea, I know....

That's just fiction.

Let me summarise what I've written about Tomkins.

Anonymous 1st half. Said he looked overawed and challenged silly, childish comments from Wigan fans that he was so absent because Sinfield and McGuire wouldn't pass to him.

Said he was excellent second half and praised him. Offered a word of caution about his over reliance on his step off the left, jink to the right move.

Have consistently said McGuire was poor. I suggested the halves this week should be Sinfield and Tomkins.

So I think you have me confused with someone else or, frankly, you're just making things up.

You must have been watching a different game to me then. Eastmond started the second half at right centre and was moved inside (probably due to the inept performance of McGuire). Either that, I just imagined him and Tomkins creating numerous chances down the middle after a lovely pass out wide for Smith's try?