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| Quote: Top Saint "Most of your "History" was as a fully Pro side against Semi Pro sides. Mortgaged yourselves up to the hilt for a little success.
So close.
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| Quote: Guerrier "So close.'"
That 10 years of cheating your way to all those trophies was well worth your club now sleeping rough on the streets of Wigan, begging cap in hand to Latics for a cup of tea and a warm place to sleep every now and then, eh?
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| Quote: pies-r-us ""Growing for years".. When it comes to "years" check the books, it's the Pie's who have all the history and that's what all you men can't stand! "Wigan is the heart of Rugby League, and always will be"...
Not a bad attempt at trolling , the old ones are the best after all. The thing with Wigoon fans is , even when you were skint and homeless (I suppose Orrell counts as a home) you always maintained your arrogance and deluded view of the world.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Not a bad attempt at trolling , the old ones are the best after all. The thing with Wigoon fans is , even when you were skint and homeless (I suppose Orrell counts as a home) you always maintained your arrogance and deluded view of the world.'"
"were"? That makes it sound like its a thing of the past, should have read "are skint and homeless"
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "That 10 years of cheating your way to all those trophies was well worth your club now sleeping rough on the streets of Wigan, begging cap in hand to Latics for a cup of tea and a warm place to sleep every now and then, eh?'"
Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?
Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.
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| Quote: Guerrier "Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?
Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.'"
The full time pro stuff wasnt cheating it just means what was achieved against part timers doesnt compare to the old Part time v Part time or Superleague (all full times pro's). It means something to Goon fans obviously but pretty much nobody else cares.
Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example
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| Quote: No1 Saint "
Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example'"
Well said....
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example'"
There's no way I'm defending Maurice as squeaky clean
I'm all for bias towards your team, but that's taking it too far!
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| You do realise that Leeds went full time before Wigan (didn't do them much good!) don't you?
No fuss was made about Wigan going full time back in the day, because most leading clubs were more or less full time anyway by then, including St Helens.
I remember Ian Lucas giving up the antiques business, that got the headlines, there was no mention of Wigan "cheating" by being "professionals" playing "amateurs".
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| Quote: Deano G "
most leading clubs were more or less full time anyway by then, including St Helens.
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I think this is something Wigan fans just like to say to try to add some value to what you 'achieved' . Wigoon had a full time pro squad of players on very very good money (as was proven when the salary cap came in and you had average players on world class salaries), add to that all the money you put on tick to develop facilities etc and Wigoon was a full time pro club on the Rugby side if somewhat amateur on the finances.
Speak to some of the players around clubs like Saints during this period and its pretty clear they were semi pro at best with the odd full time player
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| whats all this got to do with Matty Smith ?
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| Quote: Guerrier "Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?
Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.'"
For me, spending huge amounts of money that noone else has (and, as it turns out, you don't actually have either) to gain an unfair advantage in the competition for a decade might not be cheating [iper se[/i, but it's not particularly far off. And yes, add in all of Uncle Mo's little "trick plays" and "cheating" starts to become as good a word as any.
I'm sure if you're a pie then that 8 on the trot still keeps you warm at night, but ultimately it really wasn't a particularly great achievement in the greater scheme of things all things considered. The fact that Saints on a fraction of the resources kicked your asses in '92/'93 for example ranks way above it in the annals of RL attainment.
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| Quote: centralparkforever "Phil Veivers has named Wigan and St Helens among the teams interested in him next season. The lad was on GMR last weekend and said he had not made his mind up. In other words his heart is saying St Helens but his head is saying Wigan.'"
Its getting desparate for us if we are thinking of signing Phil Veivers again.
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| Quote: saint at wire "Its getting desparate for us if we are thinking of signing Phil Veivers again.'"
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| Getting back to Matty Smith.................. I'd rather have him than lance whoever - but thats not going to happen as we are stuck with Lance.
I'm guessing we will do a deal with the devil (wigoon) whereby smith goes to wigoon and gaskell stays with us or vice versa.
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