I don't think its Saints that is the problem. The powers in their infinite wisdom are allowing the ruck to be slowed down. I believe in order to bring us closer to the Aussies.

Personally however, if its going to lead to seasons of dull games I say sod the internationals because its ruining a good sport.

Saints have just had to adapt as our main method of play has been made ineffective, by changes in the refing of games.

I seriously was contemplating whether to renew my season ticket this year because to be frank, not many games have been worth the entrance fee.




Well personally telling us how it is and how they are going to do something next season to fix it, may make the decision to renew my season ticket easier. But if we are going to defend this brand of Rugby well, the heart says yes but the head say keep the money.

Well to be fair LMS was the only one who looked up for the game.

I agree to an extent, but at the same time, our style of play should the ruck be sped back up would clearly be based around Roby ripping slow-retreating defenders to shreds around the play the ball. I don't think it would solve the problem of how unimaginitive we are and how unable we are to break down opposition defences close to the line. It would however result in a faster more open spectacle with gaps on the field which is the game we all grew up watching. Can see both sides really.

Your reactions are too quick. You responded in 21 minutes, it would take Wello that long to bend down to pick his laptop up.

Forget anything else at the end of the day I support Saints. The last few years with this attempt to bring us in line with the Aussies have seen the spectacle that is RL in this country dwindle. I never was a big fan of watching NRL and it pains me to see us trying to emulate them. At the end of the day when you have lots of people leaving a stadium after having paid good money walk out unfulfilled 'BTW that does not mean winning' its just not good for saints or the game as a whole.

The thing is balance. Super league was too quick when we had Roby/KC/Higham ravaging sides up the middle. They then spotted this and went far too far the other way. Teams like Wigan under Maguire and Warrington under Smith get so many men into the tackle that they can slow it down to 10 second play the balls, meaning the defensive line is well and truly set and that there is no momentum at all.

Super League just doesn't have the calibre of creative player to have the game as slow as it is now. The few close games in semis and finals are won by which side is the most aggressive and the side that makes the least errors and kicks better. As a viewing spectacle the NRL is great only because the calibre of player is so much higher. Super League is, on the whole, incredibly boring to watch now as the standard is so low, there are so many errors and penalties and the play the balls are so drawn out.

I agree with everything well except for the NRL been exciting, up until 2-3 years ago I though super league was a better spectator sport. However its a long time since I watched the NRL so maybe it has picked up.

I find the NRL is easy to watch because even though it's slower than Super League has been typically, it's so much cleaner around the ruck. They play the game in a more crisp way, play the balls are done properly, it's slowed naturally if the defending team wins the collision, it's quick if the ball carrier does and the basic skills are always executed more sharply and you see less basic errors. The NRL sides pretty much always have good kicking games, so whilst it's still defensively minded and 5 drives and a kick like Super League has become, it's done to a higher standard. There is also a much wider spread of elite players, it seems pretty much every side in the NRL has a 'wow' player, where in Super league the better players don't stay at clubs like Wakefield, London, Salford, Cas etc they move on to the big clubs very quickly.

Bulldogs - Barba, Sea Eagles - Lyon, Storm - Slater, Rabbitos- Inglis, Cowboys - Thurston, Broncos - Thaiday, Raiders - Dugan, Sharks - Gallen, Knights - Uate, Titans - Bird, Eels - Hayne, Dragons - Morris, Roosters - Pearce, Warriors - Johnson, Tigers - Marshall, Panthers - Jennings.

I bet it would be pretty embarassing by comparison to list the Super League clubs like that.

It's helped by the fact that it's a pretty level playing field, any of the teams can make a push for the top, sure some teams are ''bigger'' than others but it's not a HUGE difference like we see in Super League.

And you think all Super League is 5 drives and a kick, did you see Wakefield and Widnes the other day? Couldn't even get through five drives!

Is your girlfiend Mike Rush?