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Quote: St pete "No ball player in the halves and no kicking game. Wilkin has to 100% play in the halves. He will direct us and dictate play. He's no great halfback but he can do a job leading us round the park.'"

I acally think Lance would make a better scrum half than a standoff. He's quite tough and whilst he's no organiser, I think he'd be quite dangerous from first receiver when he's close to the line - not unlike when Lomax was playing there.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I acally think Lance would make a better scrum half than a standoff. He's quite tough and whilst he's no organiser, I think he'd be quite dangerous from first receiver when he's close to the line - not unlike when Lomax was playing there.'"


With wheeler and lance in the halves we'd be lost. None are capable of taking the game by scruff of the neck and directing us round the pitch.

Lance is a runner. His speed of thought with ball in hand is pretty shocking and slows our moves down with that split second stop and think he does. He's ok playing along Walsh as Walsh leads us.

Wheeler is a runner. He drifts in and out the game which is good (like pryce did) when you've got a Walsh as his partner. In the words of Nathan Brown "Gary wheeler is more of a free spirit stand off".

If we play those two in the halves, we in big trouble in attack.

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Quote: St pete "With wheeler and lance in the halves we'd be lost. None are capable of taking the game by scruff of the neck and directing us round the pitch.

Lance is a runner. His speed of thought with ball in hand is pretty shocking and slows our moves down with that split second stop and think he does. He's ok playing along Walsh as Walsh leads us.

Wheeler is a runner. He drifts in and out the game which is good (like pryce did) when you've got a Walsh as his partner. In the words of Nathan Brown "Gary wheeler is more of a free spirit stand off".

If we play those two in the halves, we in big trouble in attack.'"



I'd agree with that apart from that Lance is OK alongside Walsh. To be honest, I've seen little difference in his game from last year. He is not a 6, sure as a filler, he will do, but I think Wilkin and Wheeler would be a better combo, with Jones and Dawson in the centres.

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Wilkin has the kicking game, and distribution to play in the halves. I actually think he got very good at it by the end of last year, and would be my first choice for partnering Walsh (not that it will ever happen) - especially given the number of second rowers we have. I'd be inclined to play lance alongside him, as wheeler has more experience in the centres, were we are short.

On the plus side about our injuries, they could always be worse!
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Wilkin has the kicking game, and distribution to play in the halves. I actually think he got very good at it by the end of last year, and would be my first choice for partnering Walsh (not that it will ever happen) - especially given the number of second rowers we have. I'd be inclined to play lance alongside him, as wheeler has more experience in the centres, were we are short.

On the plus side about our injuries, they could always be worse!
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I thought Percy was due to play this week is he still injured.

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Quote: St pete "With wheeler and lance in the halves we'd be lost. None are capable of taking the game by scruff of the neck and directing us round the pitch.

Lance is a runner. His speed of thought with ball in hand is pretty shocking and slows our moves down with that split second stop and think he does. He's ok playing along Walsh as Walsh leads us.

Wheeler is a runner. He drifts in and out the game which is good (like pryce did) when you've got a Walsh as his partner. In the words of Nathan Brown "Gary wheeler is more of a free spirit stand off".

If we play those two in the halves, we in big trouble in attack.'"
I don't think we're mile's away from each other, but I feel like I disagree with a lot of your saying.

I don't think Lance is any better now Walsh is here, its just his deficiencies are not costing us as much.

If he was playing closer to the ruck at 1st receiver, his thinking time is taken away meaning he'll work on instinct - a bit like when he's playing hooker. He'll work mostly with pop passes to forwards or out the back to Wheeler.

The worst thing about Lance imo is when he get's the ball at 2nd pivot with lots of space and he takes too long on the ball and moves sideways, losing any space we've created.

Go back to the Lomaskell partnership - Gaskell naturally drew the play out from Lomax when needed and created a good balance. Hohaia and Wheeler could well strike up a similar partnership.

Saying all of that, Wilkin to 7 does seem the best choice.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I don't think we're mile's away from each other, but I feel like I disagree with a lot of your saying.

I don't think Lance is any better now Walsh is here, its just his deficiencies are not costing us as much.

If he was playing closer to the ruck at 1st receiver, his thinking time is taken away meaning he'll work on instinct - a bit like when he's playing hooker. He'll work mostly with pop passes to forwards or out the back to Wheeler.

The worst thing about Lance imo is when he get's the ball at 2nd pivot with lots of space and he takes too long on the ball and moves sideways, losing any space we've created.

Go back to the Lomaskell partnership - Gaskell naturally drew the play out from Lomax when needed and created a good balance. Hohaia and Wheeler could well strike up a similar partnership.

Saying all of that, Wilkin to 7 does seem the best choice.'"



My point with lance playing with Walsh = lance doesn't need to get involved in ball playing which he can't do.

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Quote: St pete "My point with lance playing with Walsh
Still, its not a great indictment of a stand off. Its when we look at it like this that (when Wheeler's not available) I wish he'd wither go with Wilkin at 6 or give Charnock a run.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



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Lomax to 7 seems to be the short term answer.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Lomax to 7 seems to be the short term answer.'"

Like last night, 1 in defence, moving up to an assumed 7 role in attack

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Quote: Rommel "Ant Walker i hope your flat nose gets better soon
How hard is Delaney's head? It bounced off 2 Saints players' heads in that tackle. Maybe that's why he has a knuckleduster tattooed on the side of his bonce.

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Quote: Rommel "Ant Walker i hope your flat nose gets better soon
Seen him today. He's fine. Few stitches and had his nose bent. He's fine for next week.


Said Nathan Brown gave a very motivating talk in rehab today.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



Percival still 2 weeks away

But Walsh,Walmsley,Turner & Manu have to prove fitness before tomorrow to play at weekend

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