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| Quote: HOMER2355 "Correct'"
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| As FTV says on the other thread, what the rfl say and what is legal can be very different
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| Quote: Saint Simon "As FTV says on the other thread, what the rfl say and what is legal can be very different'"
No, the RFL have said his playing contract has been cancelled meaning he has been de-registered and has been placed on their free agent register. Maybe Hull KR have entered into some other arrangement with him where he promises not to sign for someone else but that doesn't mean his original contract hasn't been cancelled.
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| Quote: SEB "No, the RFL have said his playing contract has been cancelled meaning he has been de-registered and has been placed on their free agent register. Maybe Hull KR have entered into some other arrangement with him where he promises not to sign for someone else but that doesn't mean his original contract hasn't been cancelled.'"
And again to repeat what FTV said, thats what bradford thought with Harris and that panned out really well for them didnt it?
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| Quote: SEB "INcorrect:
nope that is incorrect. The player remains a contracted employee of Hull Kingston Rovers.
he is at the moment therefore unregistered to play, so effectively another club could seek to register him as a player however, because he is contracted to rovers they would have to seek rovers permission, which would they would refuse!
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| Quote: Saint Simon "And again to repeat what FTV said, thats what bradford thought with Harris and that panned out really well for them didnt it?'"
This is slightly different, as i recall it.
As part of the agreement to let harris go before his contract was up Leeds agreed to cancel harris contract, yet retained his registration with the rugby league.
Harris after a few years in the union, and the bulls argued that because his contract was terminated they weren't allowed to retain his playing registration, and they were wrong.
A players registration and contract are 2 different things.
With dobson you have a player who is no longer registered (so rovers dont hold his playing registration), however they have a contract with him. so for someone to register him they would have to seek rovers permission or buy his contract out.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "nope that is incorrect. The player remains a contracted employee of Hull Kingston Rovers.
he is at the moment therefore unregistered to play, so effectively another club could seek to register him as a player however, because he is contracted to rovers they would have to seek rovers permission, which would they would refuse!'"
If you know what you have written to be true, please back up with links and quotes proving it. I've read the rules several times and read several quotes backing up what I've said, not what you say. The rules are quite clear that in order to remove a player from the register, their contract must be terminated.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "This is slightly different, as i recall it.
As part of the agreement to let harris go before his contract was up Leeds agreed to cancel harris contract, yet retained his registration with the rugby league.
Harris after a few years in the union, and the bulls argued that because his contract was terminated they weren't allowed to retain his playing registration, and they were wrong.
A players registration and contract are 2 different things.
With dobson you have a player who is no longer registered (so rovers dont hold his playing registration), however they have a contract with him. so for someone to register him they would have to seek rovers permission or buy his contract out.'"
So saints could in theory register him and he wouldn't be able to play for Rovers.
If true i think the other teams should do a whip round and buy his registration and not let Rovers play him. That is what you are saying regards the Harris situation?
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| Quote: jdrocket "So saints could in theory register him and he wouldn't be able to play for Rovers.
If true i think the other teams should do a whip round and buy his registration and not let Rovers play him. That is what you are saying regards the Harris situation?'"
Saints could only register him with the permission of HKR, as he is still an employee of HKR.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "Saints could only register him with the permission of HKR, as he is still an employee of HKR.'"
Saints could only register him with the permission of the RFL, HKR stopped having anything to do with that once they de registered him. Registrations are held by the RFL, not the clubs. That's why the RFL say he could sign for anyone else.
HKR may well then take him to court in regard to the playing contract he signed, but if Masons Tongan passport does not come through, or the RFL refuse to take him off the quota given this blatent attempt to get round the rules then I suppose Dobson could take HKR to court for restriction of trade or something similar. More likely they will terminate his contract and save on cap space and he'll sign elsewhere if that happens.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Saints could only register him with the permission of the RFL, HKR stopped having anything to do with that once they de registered him. Registrations are held by the RFL, not the clubs. That's why the RFL say he could sign for anyone else.
HKR may well then take him to court in regard to the playing contract he signed, but if Masons Tongan passport does not come through, or the RFL refuse to take him off the quota given this blatent attempt to get round the rules then I suppose Dobson could take HKR to court for restriction of trade or something similar. More likely they will terminate his contract and save on cap space and he'll sign elsewhere if that happens.'"
Youve got to read behind the sensational side of the story.
Firstly as stated (although different terminologies are used), HKR deregisted MDobson as a player, affectively terminating his playing contract. However as stated by the RFL in doin this HKR may have other contractual agreements to retain the player (which they have), this means without the permission of HKR who are, and remain his employers (as hes still been paid), no other club can register him. I know this because thats what the chairman said and if you read into the RFL hint at this, and furthermore do you seriously beleive HKR would of done this without making sure they were water tight on retain michaels services?
Now with regards to willie and his passport, its only a matter of time, he has letters and everything from the tongan authorities saying he qualifies for tongan nationality and his passport is on its way, however the rfl will only accept the passport itself as proof. so the hypothetical questions of what if his passport doesnt arrive, will remain hypothetical.
Reading it and listening to the chairman, suggests to me the RFL have been involved all the way and advised HKR on how to do get Willie to play, as the RFL wanted him playing as soon as possible jsut as rovers did, as the guy is box office and has brought some much needed attention to Super League and rugby league in general.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "Youve got to read behind the sensational side of the story.
Firstly as stated (although different terminologies are used), HKR deregisted MDobson as a player, affectively terminating his playing contract. However as stated by the RFL in doin this HKR may have other contractual agreements to retain the player (which they have), this means without the permission of HKR who are, and remain his employers (as hes still been paid), no other club can register him. I know this because thats what the chairman said and if you read into the RFL hint at this, and furthermore do you seriously beleive HKR would of done this without making sure they were water tight on retain michaels services?
Now with regards to willie and his passport, its only a matter of time, he has letters and everything from the tongan authorities saying he qualifies for tongan nationality and his passport is on its way, however the rfl will only accept the passport itself as proof. so the hypothetical questions of what if his passport doesnt arrive, will remain hypothetical.
Reading it and listening to the chairman, suggests to me the RFL have been involved all the way and advised HKR on how to do get Willie to play, as the RFL wanted him playing as soon as possible jsut as rovers did, as the guy is box office and has brought some much needed attention to Super League and rugby league in general.'"
Tbh, I don't think it really matters. No one is going to sign him whilst he is injured, and the RFL will allow Mason to come off quota. In reality it's a non story, but a few of you get pulled in
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28395_1334007666.jpg the real viking warrior wrote ,
'Well theres a first for everything,like the dobbins first and last season in super league' .
Hull FC you were once a feeder club for the mighty HKR and now your living in its shadow !
THE KC CURSE HAS RETURNED ,THEY ARE ALL WANTING TO GO HOME OR INJURED ! FACT . Doing a lap of honour for getting 2 points PRICELESS season 2011 ! Top 4 team 2012 your having a laugh !:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_28395.jpg |
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| Bigest non story of the season ,Dobson is a Robin and wont be going anywere .
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probably the worst of any of the half backs in superleague...
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| Quote: SEB "If you know what you have written to be true, please back up with links and quotes proving it. I've read the rules several times and read several quotes backing up what I've said, not what you say. The rules are quite clear that in order to remove a player from the register, their contract must be terminated.'" It is true our chairman said it was true that although 'Technically he is a free agent according to the RFL, But in the eyes of the law he STILL is contracted to Hull KR'.
Its called playing the rules to suit us.
You know how that works right?, I mean you must do what with the salery cap and all that.
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