I thought jammer was giving a we are just as good as anyone speech.

Just watching in on Sky too. Jamie Foster says Jammer told them they will all remember today when the play offs come around. More of a 'well do em' speach than a telling off.

If we ever take the field against those Goons with a full strength lineup we would murder them.

That is exactly what I thought too. I'm sure he said at one stage that they (Wigan) were just a load of f****** cheats! (or words to that effect!)

The if is the key here. We never seem to get to the if moment these days. When was the last time we fielded a full team? This season especially it is so frustrating and disappointing because we have a coach who is coaching open rugby league, and doing it well, and who has a great crop of players at his disposal, even though some of them are a bit on the slow side. Damn shame.

I honestly think the is nothing between saints, Wigan, Warrington and maybe hudds when all at full strength.

This super league will go to who keeps there squad fit.

Wellens was excellent in that 1st half. The fact that you're slagging him off shows you know sod all about the game.

I'm proper proud of the boys today. They showed fantastic character. Yes, there was a few incidents were players made the wrong decisions but that happens every game & it's easy to be negative and single them out.

Saints were in control in the 1st half but that late challenge on Weeler was a disgrace. Then losing Wellens who wasn't fit for the game anyway (Roycey took a chance) was a hammer blow, which saw Wigan run in 22 unanswered points.

Just to add, Stevie Hampson running across Foster's path as he was taking his conversion was disgusting behaviour.

It might have been a loss on the score board but that was a victory for character. Well done Saints.

Last year's did too. We're doomed

That is assuming our injuries don't undermine our season to the degree that we don't make the playoffs. That could happen.

It could happen and anything is possible but I think we will defo make the top 8.

MUGWUMP....... you cant blame Shenton or Lomax for trying something different in a game that was tighter than a ducks @rse. Lomax is genuine class and ok it went to Sam T but had it have gone the otherside it would have been a game breaker,sometimes they come off,sometimes they dont but dont coach natural ability out of a young un.

The kick from lomax did not let Tomkins run 40 - 50 meters, that was the lack of tackling.


If we are going to apportion blame, lets trace it all the way back to some idiot picking up a rugby ball 150 years ago.

We can all pick moments in time to say if and but, but in the end what happened happened. Long could have done something equally as stupid, lomax may choose differently next time.

Unless they get the experience and the chance to make those choices then they never become the finished article.

The big loss for me was Gaskell, he has been our main positional kicker and without him, alot of our kicks where ineffective.

I totally agree. He was growing in confidence too.

So, basically, everything that doesn't go Saints way in a game doesn't count?! Errors, mistakes and wrong decisions are all part of the game, as are poor refereeing decisions. We scored off one, you scored of one. Get some class mate. It was a great game, played by two commited teams with little to choose between them. I've said it over on our board and I'll repeat it here; you could do worse than take a leaf out of Foster's book. Very gracious in defeat. Pure class, that lad (not to mention great player and prospect).

Hope you all enjoyed your day, if not the result, and I'm sure we'll meet again!

I'm not sure when the penny will drop. Maybe today. Maybe never. But you cannot equate a try-scoring forward pass (which gives the defending team no chance) to a knock on that leads to six defensive tackles. Besides, it was a knock on. And if it wasn't Wigan would have been penalised (in front of the sticks) for Tomkins taking the ball in an off-side position.