I'm sorry chaps, it's probably late in the evening and I'm a bit slow to catch on. I certainly see the connotations in what you say (chest etc), but then I read the usual diatribe posted by Saddened (who apparently is a Saints supporter despite the persistent diatribe he posts concerning most things Saints) and can't find the point being made?????

I presume the 'chest' is what Ski and saintyick is referring to, but what the hell is Saddend trying to say?

That he played poorly? Granted he's young, but he knocked on a few times, missed tackles and passed to the opposition in a clear scoring position. He had a poor game, being young doesn't excuse that. I'm not suggesting we ship him off to Leigh just yet though..

He's also playing out of position.

He also did that cracking move where he legged it down the pitch, jumped into the clouds, knocked the ball back into play without going into touch allowing us to get the ball from their kick off. He also made a damn good break towards the line. None of the mistakes you comment on are unique to our young players or to Wheeler. So why are you having a go at him in particular?

Saddened is merely reverting to type.

Surprised Prestwich ain't been lingering like some bad smell.

It just seems strange Saddend (BTW, what an apt handle you chose for yourself) that you seek every opportunity to diss the team you say you support.

Wheeler might have passed the ball to Salford (once! .. and I'm certain he is the first Saints player to do so), he might have knocked on (and I'm sure he was the only player to do so tonight ... yeah!) but he certainly didn't shy away from tackles, he didn't have what you call a 'poor game'. At the end of the day he is a Stand-Off, the coach (who is far more capable of choosing a team than you) decided he was the best man for the job tonight. As a stand-off, this year he has played at full-back, centre and wing - scored 2 trys in 2 games - should have had a try tonight (but that was chalked off by the linesman) .... not bad for a stand-off playing out of position is it? And to his credit, tonight he never left his line. And, if you want a player to do something with the ball, well, it has to be passed to him!

Ade Gardner didn't have the best of games either, you don't mention him - I'm sure he knocked-on more than Wheeler, and I'm sure he lost the ball more too - but I'm not criticising Ade ... but neither are you.

Do you think (even for just a few days) you could actually show some support for the team you claim to support? This nonsense/drivel you choose to post here about our players really rips me apart, they try their best - it's easy to criticise, you don't play the game. You know it really is shame on you, you should be supporting these lads, nit dissing them at every opportunity.

... rant over ... for now

He's trolling.

Longy made his kicks.

I am quite offended by that.

In what way am I trolling? He didn't play well at all, I've not written him off or suggested he's pants have I?

And to Tobias, stop taking it to heart. It tears you apart that I criticise highly trained professional athletes? Get a grip. I spend a few grand a year 'supporting' Saints, so I think I am entitled to say it as it is on the forum.

You are entitled to your [iopinion[/i I think a lot on here disagree that you say it as it is - and there's a world of difference in that.

I agree with saddened.

People are entitled to their opinions. However he is a young lad making his way (out of position) and mistakes are expected to be made.

People starting threads slating his performance isent going to help (he reads these boards).

FWIW his a fantastic talent who will make it.

Jesuite H Kirshna. This again.

IFhe reads the boards, he has to expect to be bagged, like Tyrer getting his knickers in a twist for being called a turnstyle.

He should use posts that "cause offence" to help himself better his game. Use it as inspiration.

If he gets wound up reading these, he is going to struggle going to big away games were the fans will really be on him.

Well tbh the lad isnt a winger and everyone knows it - people forget that positional play as a winger is bloody hard work at times. He did a couple of things that showed lack of experience (like the pass that was intercepted). Some of the lost ball was down to niggling in the tackle and again a bit of getting caught out by experienced pro's. For me he did ok and I'd love to see him get a bit of time at 6 with Pryce moving to 13 during a game. With young lads it's all about getting them the experience and hoping they make the step up but only time will tell.

You are indeed allowed an opinion, and after reading your diatribe I've come to the conclusion (and I'm sure I'm not alone in this) that you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

... and for what it is worth, supporting a team is a lot more than just paying your money over.