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| Quote: SaintsFan "For those of you who think I'm just arguing for the sake of it (ie most of you), take a look at rlthis report.rl
Could it possibly be that Slater is telling porkies?'"
IMO unless the is clear footage of James Graham with slaters ear between his teeth then graham can't be found guilty.
The has to be clear evidence of a bite!
I can also see why billy slater had wanted to stay away from the incident, I think he Made the allegation in the heat of the moment and probably thought about it after the game and decided to leave it on the field.
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| Quote: The Chief "Ryans appearances before the RFL disciplinary since 2008 including intentional striking with the elbow, striking with the knees and a physical assault on a referee.'"
Couldn't find any incidences of biting or gouging by Bailey then?
No?
Thought not.
All you could find is a history of minor incidents involving niggle, where in the vast majority of cases he wasn't even charged.
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ON/748/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Catalans v Leeds 21/09/12 No charge
ON/662/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Catalan v Leeds 18/08/12 No charge
ON/588/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull KR v Leeds 05/08/12 No charge
ON/589/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull KR v Leeds 05/08/12 No charge
ON/543/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Bradford 20/07/12 No charge
ON/423/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Wigan 01/06/12 No charge
ON/387/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v St Helens 21/05/12 No charge
ON/121/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Warrington 09/03/12 Deliberate contact with ref. 3 match ban. £300 fine
ON/27/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Wigan v Leeds 11/02/12 No charge
ON/922/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Huddersfield v Leeds 23/09/11 No charge
ON/909/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Hull FC 18/09/11 Raising knee. 1 match ban
ON//909/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Hull FC 18/09/11 Appeal unsuccessful
ON/677/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull v Leeds 24/07/11 No charge
ON/544/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Bradford 24/06/11 No charge
ON/252/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Huddersfield 15/04/11 No charge
ON/255/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Huddersfield 15/04/11 Fighting. 1 match ban. £500 fine
ON/637/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull FC v Leeds 04/09/10 No charge
ON/629/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Warrington v Leeds 28/08/10 No charge
ON/567/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Wigan 30/07/10 No charge
ON/500/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull KR v Leeds 09/07/10 No charge
ON/492/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v St Helens 03/07/10 No charge
ON/363/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Bradford v Leeds 23/05/10 No charge
ON/212/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds V Hull FC 11/04/10 No charge
ON/168/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Bradford 01/04/10 No charge
ON/152/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Wigan v Leeds 26/03/10 Undue pressure on shoulder joint. Fined £300
ON/36/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Wakefield v Leeds 14/02/10 No charge
ON/08/10 Ryan Bailey Leeds Crusaders v Leeds 29/01/10 No charge
ON/776/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Catalans 02/10/09 No charge
ON/130/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds St Helens v Leeds 20/03/09 No charge
ON/133/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds St Helens v Leeds 20/03/09 No charge
ON/84/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Warrington v Leeds 08/03/09 No charge
ON/85/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Warrington v Leeds 08/03/09 Cautioned
ON/85/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Warrington v Leeds 08/03/09 Appeal unsuccessful
ON/14/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds-v-Wakefield 13/02/09 No charge
ON/686/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Wigan 26/09/08 No charge
ON/667/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds St Helens v Leeds 19/09/08 No charge
ON/381/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v St Helens 20/06/08 No charge
ON/326/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds V Wigan 31/05/08 No charge
ON/329/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds V Wigan 31/05/08 No charge
ON/114/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Castleford v Leeds 07/03/08 No charge
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3 game ban for deliberately pushing a referee, a 1 match ban for raising a knee, a 1 match ban for applying undue pressure to an opposition players shoulder and a 1 match ban for fighting. A grand total of 6 matches banned and fined a total of £1100 over the same period. And that's all you could find on him? WOW, no really
Im genuinely made up that I have a stalker!
I fell asleep during your presentation. Hardest work I've ever had to do for a free meal, free goody bag and free Grand Final match tickets. Mind you, I fell asleep during everyone else's too apart from the fella who had his legs blown off in Afghanistan who was an inspiration to all.
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| Quote: William Eve "Couldn't find any incidences of biting or gouging by Bailey then?
No?
Thought not.
All you could find is a history of minor incidents involving niggle, where in the vast majority of cases he wasn't even charged.
3 game ban for deliberately pushing a referee, a 1 match ban for raising a knee, a 1 match ban for applying undue pressure to an opposition players shoulder and a 1 match ban for fighting. A grand total of 6 matches banned and fined a total of £1100 over the same period. And that's all you could find on him? WOW, no really
I fully expect Graham to receive a hefty ban if he is found guilty and quite rightly so. Its certainly not anything I would condone on a rugby pitch with my players, but then again, neither is pushing a referee, applying undue pressure to a joint or deliberately raising a knee in a tackle with the intention of smashing someones collar bone. Im glad you are not involved in the game as a coach for any of my children if you think that is somehow morally more acceptable.
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I fell asleep during your presentation. Hardest work I've ever had to do for a free meal, free goody bag and free Grand Final match tickets. Mind you, I fell asleep during everyone else's too apart from the fella who had his legs blown off in Afghanistan who was an inspiration to all.'"
The injured soldier was inspirational, but its nice to see that for the most part you spent your time at an RFL conference effectively. At least you got a free ticket to the game, whereas I actually got a VIP seat, a three course meal and a £5k cheque for my club. Not a bad reward for a 10 min presentation but I really couldnt give one if you want to keep dishing out childish jibes in an effort to make yourself somehow seem superior, its tedious, petty and irrelevant.
You can keep on wasting your time trying to big up Bailey, but Im done feeding the trolls.
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| James Graham is pleading not guilty to the ear biting charge. The club has appointed a legal representative for him.
Added to the inconclusive pictures, the disinclination of Slater to provide photographic evidence, attend the hearing and his statement that he wants to 'move on' (how convenient), this whole thing is looking more and more like a trumped up charge.
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| So, he'll say that he was bear hugging Slater to immobilise him and screaming something down his ear, which could explain the incriminating photos and lack of injury.
It may seem a long shot, but if its a case of reasonable doubt, it may work for him.
I'm not entirely sure I believe him, but innocent until proven guilty.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "James Graham is pleading not guilty to the ear biting charge. The club has appointed a legal representative for him.
Added to the inconclusive pictures, the disinclination of Slater to provide photographic evidence, attend the hearing and his statement that he wants to 'move on' (how convenient), this whole thing is looking more and more like a trumped up charge.'"
If that's true, I believe him. I'd believe Jammer over Billy Slater any day. I questioned on here the possibility of it being a false allegation, designed to get him sent off and help them win the Grand Final. Melbourne and Slater himself are more than capable of that level of cheating.
The injury is a nonsense, a nail shaped cut mark. Could have been gum shield, could easily have been a stray finger, even his own.
It'll be interesting to see what Graham actually says about the incident, and what Slater comes out with. Their initial disgust at the incident, turned quickly into them not talking about it, to them refusing to provide evidence to the disciplinary hearing. Me thinks it was all a ruse to get a red card dished out.
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| He's been found guilty. Length of ban yet to be determined.
It will be interesting to hear what was said at the judiciary.
Edit - 12 weeks. It's really a lot less however as the international and (I think) two trial games will count towards it.
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| Quote: Smurf "He's been found guilty. Length of ban yet to be determined.
It will be interesting to hear what was said at the judiciary.'"
12 match ban. Unclear if internationals count.
Interesting to hear if there's any backtracking on here now all the evidence has been been fully judged.
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| Quote: The Chief "A significant history of "minor incidents" that proves the point I made in my initial post. He has a reputation for being a cheap shot merchant and had he done something like Graham is alleged to have done, people would be less surprised. You can argue all you want, but that is a fact. The charge sheet is as long as his arm and there are plenty of instances where Leeds players have been found not guilty of offences when players from other clubs have been banned. That is precisely why Wane was spouting in the media last week, trying to apply some pressure to the RFL disciplinary.
Nice to see though that you gloss over the physical assault of a referee as some kind of minor high brow technical offence. Knock yourself out. 3 match ban for such an incident once again goes to show the RFL's lack of balls. We are all quick to criticise the Premier League but they handed out an 11 match ban to Paolo Di Canio for pushing a referee. So your point is what??? That Bailey only deserved a three match ban??
Ryan Bailey match ban total = 6
James Graham match ban total = 12
HTH
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| Quote: craigizzard "12 match ban. Unclear if internationals count.
Interesting to hear if there's any backtracking on here now all the evidence has been been fully judged.'"
None from me. It's a civil case and therefore is judged on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. The disciplinary committee have judged that on the balance of probabilities Jammer bit Slater's ear. The evidence is still inconclusive.
Given that this is a 12 match ban one thing is clear: the disciplinary committee wanted to make an example out of him. Previous bans for this have been 8 matches.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "None from me. It's a civil case and therefore is judged on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. The disciplinary committee have judged that on the balance of probabilities Jammer bit Slater's ear. The evidence is still inconclusive.
Given that this is a 12 match ban one thing is clear
Which previous bans for ear biting were those?
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| Quote: William Eve "Which previous bans for ear biting were those?'"
William Zillman from gold coast got 8 games for a bite a couple of years ago.
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| So its 12 games -2 pre season games and possibly - the international games ( yet to be clarified ) it could be as little as 8 and even at 8 i think given the damage to Slater's ear its a bit harsh when you can eye gouge or jaw break and get less.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "None from me. It's a civil case and therefore is judged on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. The disciplinary committee have judged that on the balance of probabilities Jammer bit Slater's ear. The evidence is still inconclusive.
Given that this is a 12 match ban one thing is clear
Previous bans for biting the arm not the face, also mitigated by showing contrition to the discipliary committee and an early guilty plea. Considering that case got 8 games, some would think Graham got off lightly.
There have been no similar cases to Graham's in recent memory.
I'm less than amazed that you haven't changed your mind, despite saying that you'd wait until the case was judged. Clearly that only applies if the considered judgement happens to back up your own prejudice.
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| Quote: brook40 "William Zillman from gold coast got 8 games for a bite a couple of years ago.'"
Was it an ear bite?
No?
Thought not.
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