Yes it is. My point exactly.

Were you watching a different game? There was very little in BOTH incidents, and the knee injury could have been waiting to happen anywhere on the park.

Ah. It all makes sense to me now!

Legendary for promising alot, but delivering very little.

Roby was fantastic.
If i was a Saints fan id be a little concerned that every time your right centre position was attacked (Shenton) Rovers had a lot of joy.
Welham looked the England player not him.
And your way off Warrington and Wigan standard at the moment IMO.
You dont have quality players not involved right now admittedly

Sounds like your side for the last 3 seasons

So what you are saying is that when HKR play dire and the goons, you are going to have a cricket score against you as you got pasted by a team who are "way off" the aforementioned teams.

We will

10/10 for honesty.

I don't think Shenton was the problem at all. I think Gaskell was. He's our newbie halfback.


Welham is a very good player but it's too early to say whether he is England standard. Is he in the Knights? He possibly should be if he isn't. He was the best player in your team last night.


That would be why we almost beat Wigan at Cardiff without a first choice halfback partnership and our fullback going off injured, to be replaced by a 20 year old, I suppose. Wigan are beatable and if you're elevating them at this time then you have no clue.

We are nowhere near Warrington at present, no. But that's not an insult to me. So you will need to try a bit harder, especially given that your team has failed to win much in the match department so far this season.

First of all i dont need to try harder at anything, i gave an opinion just as you have given yours, or am i mistaken and your 12 years old and have no concept of debate.
Welham is in the full England train on squad and deservedly so, i think he has 7 tries in 8 rounds and his overall performances are good and consistant.
You may not like the idea that your deadly rivals are a better team and squad then you but in my opinion they are.
And if your judging on one off games like your draw in round one then does that make Harlequins better then you are they beat you this season.
Im fully aware that Rovers havent won many matches, ive attended each and every one of them.

Fair enough. I didn't see his name included in the England squad when it was announced.


Fair enough. We'll see how things pan out as the season progresses. They look nothing special to me this season; fairly average with the odd exception. Warrington, on the other hand, look a class act.


I'm judging Wigan on what I've seen of them since the season started. Hence my opinion above.

Shenton's defence was terrific, it was Gaskell that got caught out on that side a few times. Obviously his inexperience is a significant reason for poor positioning at times.

As for the debate about whether we're near Wigan or Warrington's standard at the moment, possibly not (although I'm sure we'd have a good chance against a poor Wigan at the moment), but you don't win trophies in April. I'd say we're slowly improving each game and will no doubt improve further when Wilkin and Pryce play regularly behind a strong pack and Lomax continues to develop at 7. I'm happy with where we are, but we will probably come short again in terms of trophies in my honest opinion. We'll certianly be competitive though and we're not light years away.

Id agree with that and with the quality in your squad you will be there or there abouts.
I just think Wire and Pies have raised the bar.
Very impressed by Lomax also and the more game time your youngsters get the better they will be in the seasons ahead.

Of course you do mean that we raised the bar and now Wire and Pies have caught up.