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| I agree with Saddened. The idea that raising the cap would change much is plain silly. It may prevent a few players going to the NRL but you'd have to raise it to astronomical levels to get star Aussies - or more importantly for England star RU players - to join SL. Far better to focus as much as possible on juniors.
I also agree that the British coaches are worrying. Robinson and Maguire stood out in SL because they were good coaches, representing the next generation of Aussies. I have no idea why SL clubs have moved away from getting this sort of young Aussie coach. The only limitation is that they want an NRL head coach gig which limits their lifespan in SL.
The only thing I'd add is that I'd be looking to get one or more of these very good technical Aussie coaches involved with juniors. From what I've seen SL Academy players desperately need work spending on core skills (and for halfbacks game management). Whilst you can't produce freak athletes from nothing, its absurd that a supposed halfback can get a pro contract in 2016 without any kind of passing ability.
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| Where is the evidence that DEPTH plays the deciding role in international sporting success?
How many union and cricket players are there in England? How many in Australia? Which of the two nations has had the most success over the last three or four decades?
How many fully professional football clubs exist in England? Compare that figure with, say, Italy or Spain or France. Compare the FACILITIES at those clubs with lower league clubs in Italy, Spain & France.
As for coaching - we are talking about FULLY PROFESSIONAL clubs here. Assuming that our guys are not rolling up each day half sloshed there is absolutely NO REASON to assume they aren't seeking to refine their craft in precisely the same fashion as their colleagues in the Southern Hemisphere. There's nothing stopping them from even EXCEEDING their abilities should they feel inclined (as I assume all of them do).
This coaching issue is used far too often as a stick to beat SL. When our teams win everyone shuts up. When they lose they start bleating again. I'm not saying there aren't issues which need to be addressed in SL - but it's silly to keep on harping about a problem whose existence [i[uwe really have no reliable means of testing.[/u[/i
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| The salary cap hinders the top teams and stops them hogging all the best players and signing Southern Hemisphere stars. As a result of this, they've had to bring through more kids into the first team. So the very thing that has hindered the club teams has improved our national team. We are now spoilt for options in most positions and I believe we are more competitive as a result. We need a strong national team to attract bigger sponsors and media recognition...no matter how good our club sides are, the names of St.Helens, Wigan, Hull etc are never going to grab the imagination of people who live around the country...only a national side that's sticking the boot in on the Aussies and Kiwis will do that.
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| I think it'd be crazy to get rid of the series because of a bad series this time round. Last year it was only us who got a hiding with the other two games being closely contested IIRC.
With the salary cap as it is, the only way we will get better is to carry on playing these sides and get used to that intensity of a game. Over time you'd like to think our better teams will put up more and more of a contest the more games against these types of opposition they're involved in.
Stick with the series and it may improve in time. To just get rid of it because we've lost a few games seems incredibly narrow-minded, short-term thinking.
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| One of the major critism's by fans of RL is the constant chopping and changing.
So what do fans suggest?
More knee jerk reactions to chop and change again.
It's like when you used to play games at school, oh we've been hammered lets not play anymore.
The sporting reaction to suffering a defeat is to address the issues, whether that be at the individual club or as a league.
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| It was a painful weekend for SL, but one from which it can learn. Obviously there are plenty of deep-seated reasons why we have an inferior competition, and they're going to take a hell of a lot of working out to get right. But we can pick things up that will help to improve us. The thing that jumps out most obviously from this series is the way the NRL ballplayers have multiple options on pretty much every play, even when the play is a simple hit up. It's a pretty simple thing that we've obviously lost sight of in this competition, but it puts considerable pressure on defensive decision-making (pressure that our sides weren't able to withstand) and makes it very difficult for teams to commit numbers into tackles. If Saints can take a lesson from that and start running in twos and threes then the whole thing will have been worthwhile.
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| Quote Starman="Starman"I think it'd be crazy to get rid of the series because of a bad series this time round. Last year it was only us who got a hiding with the other two games being closely contested IIRC.
With the salary cap as it is, the only way we will get better is to carry on playing these sides and get used to that intensity of a game. Over time you'd like to think our better teams will put up more and more of a contest the more games against these types of opposition they're involved in.
Stick with the series and it may improve in time. To just get rid of it because we've lost a few games seems incredibly narrow-minded, short-term thinking.'"
If the Superleague standard stays the same we can be pretty sure the world club series will always be a whitewash. The RFL needs to speed up the game, first and foremost we need to increase the intensity of the game, for the last 4 or 5 years the game has been "dumbed down' to a time wasting and boring spectacle at times. Our game has turned into a slow arm wrestle, interference at the play the ball, flat attacks, slow scrums, slow field penalties, slow drop outs. The match officials need to speed up the game and in the short term penalise every infringement in the tackle and play the ball, stop the time wasting techniques, I would also run with 2 refs so the attack and defence lines are set quicker.
Then its up to the club coaches to learn from the World Club Series how to improve positional play to create potential try scoring options. On the other hand we can "stick our head in the sand" give up on the idea and just play in our own "super league bubble" for a couple of years ready for the next future deja vu.
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| I don't think holding this fixture at this time of year helps anyone. It's invariably cold, wet and miserable. I'm not saying it's impossible to play good rugby but I don't recall too many people celebrating SL in the opening six weeks.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"I don't think holding this fixture at this time of year helps anyone. It's invariably cold, wet and miserable. I'm not saying it's impossible to play good rugby but I don't recall too many people celebrating SL in the opening six weeks.'"
The aussies scored some good tries ?
Maybe play it in October when the weather is better 
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| Quote Dux="Dux"It was a painful weekend for SL, but one from which it can learn. Obviously there are plenty of deep-seated reasons why we have an inferior competition, and they're going to take a hell of a lot of working out to get right. But we can pick things up that will help to improve us. The thing that jumps out most obviously from this series is the way the NRL ballplayers have multiple options on pretty much every play, even when the play is a simple hit up. It's a pretty simple thing that we've obviously lost sight of in this competition, but it puts considerable pressure on defensive decision-making (pressure that our sides weren't able to withstand) and makes it very difficult for teams to commit numbers into tackles. If Saints can take a lesson from that and start running in twos and threes then the whole thing will have been worthwhile.'"
Totally agree.
If we want to grow as a sport then international fixtures are the way. With France being decades away from having a competitive league the only option open is Australia.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"I don't think holding this fixture at this time of year helps anyone. It's invariably cold, wet and miserable. I'm not saying it's impossible to play good rugby but I don't recall too many people celebrating SL in the opening six weeks.'"
The only people is really helps are the Aussie teams,Brisbane said it helped them last year and this year It was said it was valuable to the Roosters to in getting prep done.
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| Quote brook40="brook40"The only people is really helps are the Aussie teams,Brisbane said it helped them last year and this year It was said it was valuable to the Roosters to in getting prep done.'"
I think the 3 Oz teams said they had built the event into there training patterns and the weather wasn't much of a problem. I should imagine its easier to train at a constant 80 degrees then play a game at 50 degrees, than train at a constant 50 degrees and play a game at 80 degrees.
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