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| Quote: No1 Saint "What I'm saying is why have a draconian 2 year ban for all offences - with a first offence a smaller ban and a condition they stay clean (plus the condition they cant play until they prove there clean) plus the usual fine etc etc'"
Because how does anyone know how many times a player has taken cocaine? Cocaine has an effect on performance whether it is taken once or a hundred times. How then can a differentiation be made?
I'm not usually in favour of one rule fits all but on this occasion I think it is spot on. The message must be communicated that cheating and putting your team mates at risk doesn't and shouldn't pay.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "I think the ban is as much about warning others not to do the same as it is a punishment. At wigan for example what do you think Ainscough or tomkins reaction would be if thay were offered anything now? Compared to if Hock got a 3 month ban or something similar? I don't believe in life bans, people can change, but 2 years is a good deterent'"
I see your point but I still think 2 years is a bit draconian for a first offence.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Because how does anyone know how many times a player has taken cocaine? Cocaine has an effect on performance whether it is taken once or a hundred times. How then can a differentiation be made?
I'm not usually in favour of one rule fits all but on this occasion I think it is spot on. The message must be communicated that cheating and putting your team mates at risk doesn't and shouldn't pay.'"
If he was a serial user he would be on massive amounts of the stuff to just get a tiny performance increase. It's always difficult in these situations but there should definatly be a line drawn between performance enhancers and recreational drugs even if you do count coke as an enhancer
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| Quote: No1 Saint "I see your point but I still think 2 years is a bit draconian for a first offence.'"
If you sign up to WADA's anti-doping policy you've got to play by its rules.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It's sad isn't it.
Even taking the glory(well even at Wigan he gets abit) away and the fact that it's such a dream job you've got the fact that a lad like Hock who's thick as a barndoor is earning something in the region of 120-150k a year which is an unbelievable wage for anybody.
He should feel honoured and privaliged that he's got such an amazing career that people would do for free but the guys that thick he doesn't realise it and has thrown it all away!'"
He's on that much? Blimey. That's not to be sniffed at, is it?
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| Quote: The Diva "He's on that much? Blimey. That's not to be sniffed at, is it?'"
Jesus wept
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| Quote: The Nihilist "Jesus wept crystal tears
more apt towards your user name me thinks
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| Quote: Mugwump "If you sign up to WADA's anti-doping policy you've got to play by its rules.'"
Thats true and the RL have sold thier soul but that Doesnt stop me thinking it's rules are pathetic or expressing that opinion. WADA is a great idea in principle but in reality it goes way OTT on the wrong people
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Thats true and the RL have sold thier soul but that Doesnt stop me thinking it's rules are pathetic or expressing that opinion. WADA is a great idea in principle but in reality it goes way OTT on the wrong people'"
You are completely out of your depth here mate. lol.
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| Quote: Sadfish "You are completely out of your depth here mate. lol.'"
How so ? They blanket ban people for mistakes and tar them with the same brush as drug cheats. I dont see how thats fair or right. I didnt realise until I read something on the Hock thread on the pie board how terribly they treat kids involved in athletics either. I can express my opinion and quite honestly I refuse to tow the 'party' line most people go with because of they are terrified of the political faux pas subject of drugs (unless of course there off screaming we should burn anyone who has ever touched a drug - which is rich considering loads of these people have done exactly the same but just never been caught)
My Point being that WADA and the idea of keeping Performance enhancing drugs out of sport is a good idea it's just the punishments in some cases dont seem to fit the crime.
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| can I ask a serious question?
do they also check for roids?
My BIL is mates with a SL first teamer for a Yarkshire club and he has stated (when I was there) that 75% of players are on them
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| Quote: nikos "can I ask a serious question?
do they also check for roids?
My BIL is mates with a SL first teamer for a Yarkshire club and he has stated (when I was there) that 75% of players are on them'"
Yes they do.
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| Quote: nikos "can I ask a serious question?
do they also check for roids?
My BIL is mates with a SL first teamer for a Yarkshire club and he has stated (when I was there) that 75% of players are on them'"
Considering the most popular steriod stays in your system for close to a year, you would have to assume that if 75% of SL players were on them, a lot would have been caught by now.
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| Growth hormone more like , it can't be tested for where steroids can.
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| Bad news for Wigoon and England. Hock is the one blockbusting British player Wigoon have got and with decent coaching he could improve and get himself into position for making our bench. Replacing him is a big task and they'll have to splash the cash to get somebody on board for next year equally as effective. Hopefully this will mean Phil Bailey gets another year or two from them
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