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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "You would have to be an idiot not to be supportive of Dr Koukash's investment in not only Salford, but also Super League. Dont forget this was a club that 7 months ago were on the verge of extinction, that's 140 years of history gone. Instead of being ridiculed Koukash should be thanked for investing in rugby league, whilst it makes Salford a stronger team it also makes Super League a stronger and much more competitive product.
Koukash investment in Salford will filter down through other clubs, look at the Elliot Whitehead saga. He offered Bradford in excess of £100,000.00 for his transfer, how can that not be a good thing for clubs, particularly those with recent financial problems like Bradford. Investment like this enables these clubs to strengthen and/or invest themselves into youth, marketing, stadium improvements, community work etc. It will be the same if/when Rangi Chase signs as a transfer fee will be applicable to Castleford.
Not only that, when was the last time you saw a team that was sat at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season getting so many column inches in the newspapers and press. Whether you agree with what he says or not, he puts himself, Salford City Reds and rugby league in the limelight continually.
He also mixes in very wealthy circles as we saw at Royal Ascot a couple of weeks ago, with Koukash continually sounding off to everyone and anyone who will listen about how fantastic Super League is, we are bound to attract even more wealthy backers into the game.
It's early to say, and time will only tell, but he is potentially one of the best things to happen in the Super League era.'"
Completely agree with all of your post.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Quote: BackrowSaint "You would have to be an idiot not to be supportive of Dr Koukash's investment in not only Salford, but also Super League. Dont forget this was a club that 7 months ago were on the verge of extinction, that's 140 years of history gone. Instead of being ridiculed Koukash should be thanked for investing in rugby league, whilst it makes Salford a stronger team it also makes Super League a stronger and much more competitive product.
Koukash investment in Salford will filter down through other clubs, look at the Elliot Whitehead saga. He offered Bradford in excess of £100,000.00 for his transfer, how can that not be a good thing for clubs, particularly those with recent financial problems like Bradford. Investment like this enables these clubs to strengthen and/or invest themselves into youth, marketing, stadium improvements, community work etc. It will be the same if/when Rangi Chase signs as a transfer fee will be applicable to Castleford.
Not only that, when was the last time you saw a team that was sat at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season getting so many column inches in the newspapers and press. Whether you agree with what he says or not, he puts himself, Salford City Reds and rugby league in the limelight continually.
He also mixes in very wealthy circles as we saw at Royal Ascot a couple of weeks ago, with Koukash continually sounding off to everyone and anyone who will listen about how fantastic Super League is, we are bound to attract even more wealthy backers into the game.
It's early to say, and time will only tell, but he is potentially one of the best things to happen in the Super League era.'"
Completely agree with all of your post.'"
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| Anything that helps more teams spend up to the cap is a good thing and improves the competition as a whole.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Anything that helps more teams spend up to the cap is a good thing and improves the competition as a whole.'"
.....except put season ticket prices up
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "You would have to be an idiot not to be supportive of Dr Koukash's investment in not only Salford, but also Super League. Dont forget this was a club that 7 months ago were on the verge of extinction, that's 140 years of history gone. Instead of being ridiculed Koukash should be thanked for investing in rugby league, whilst it makes Salford a stronger team it also makes Super League a stronger and much more competitive product.
Koukash investment in Salford will filter down through other clubs, look at the Elliot Whitehead saga. He offered Bradford in excess of £100,000.00 for his transfer, how can that not be a good thing for clubs, particularly those with recent financial problems like Bradford. Investment like this enables these clubs to strengthen and/or invest themselves into youth, marketing, stadium improvements, community work etc. It will be the same if/when Rangi Chase signs as a transfer fee will be applicable to Castleford.
Not only that, when was the last time you saw a team that was sat at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season getting so many column inches in the newspapers and press. Whether you agree with what he says or not, he puts himself, Salford City Reds and rugby league in the limelight continually.
He also mixes in very wealthy circles as we saw at Royal Ascot a couple of weeks ago, with Koukash continually sounding off to everyone and anyone who will listen about how fantastic Super League is, we are bound to attract even more wealthy backers into the game.
It's early to say, and time will only tell, but he is potentially one of the best things to happen in the Super League era.'"
Spot on! I quite like the Dr, he seems very passionate and is desperate to make a success of things which can only be a good thing for Salford who could have ended up bust without him. Our game needs people like this involved and he is definitely a character and has created a lot of attention in the media for SL which again can only be a good thing.
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| For Chase read Koukash
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| Quote: wirefox "For Chase read Koukash'"
Rangi Koukash?
Is this why he was so keen to buy into Rugby League? He's Rangi's father?
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| Cas say they've rejected a bid from Salford for Chase
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| Quote: St. Rughead "Cas say they've rejected a bid from Salford for Chase'"
And yet people have been insisting for weeks that it is a done deal.
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| What I don't get is where does Rangi get a say in this????
Salford can offer Cas £400,000
But if we are offering Rangi £50,000 to £100,000 more, then the transfer fee is irrelvant surely. Cas can't force him to sign for Salford. Both club and player have to agree terms.
Saints should at least force Salford to pour more of their Salary cap into Chase. Whilst we may not get him we can make them pay through the nose for him, leaving them less for the rest of their squad.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "What I don't get is where does Rangi get a say in this????
Salford can offer Cas £400,000
But if we are offering Rangi £50,000 to £100,000 more, then the transfer fee is irrelvant surely. Cas can't force him to sign for Salford. Both club and player have to agree terms.
Saints should at least force Salford to pour more of their Salary cap into Chase. Whilst we may not get him we can make them pay through the nose for him, leaving them less for the rest of their squad.'"
If Cas don't accept an offer from Saints then we will never get to speak to Chase at all. So assuming Salford are the only club who have a bid accepted, then Salfords contract offer is the only one up for discussion, ours is irrelevant. Technically speaking, until we have an offer accepted by Cas then there should be no contract offer from us for Chase to even consider.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "If Cas don't accept an offer from Saints then we will never get to speak to Chase at all. So assuming Salford are the only club who have a bid accepted, then Salfords contract offer is the only one up for discussion, ours is irrelevant. Technically speaking, until we have an offer accepted by Cas then there should be no contract offer from us for Chase to even consider.'"
Apparently Salford are offering a massive £360000 a year deal to Chase. Which he's accepted, he's trying to force the deal through being an extra 50% of what he's earning now, but Cas want a decent transfer fee for him, and their within their rights to make the most of it.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "What I don't get is where does Rangi get a say in this????
Salford can offer Cas £400,000
But if we are offering Rangi £50,000 to £100,000 more, then the transfer fee is irrelvant surely. Cas can't force him to sign for Salford. Both club and player have to agree terms.
Saints should at least force Salford to pour more of their Salary cap into Chase. Whilst we may not get him we can make them pay through the nose for him, leaving them less for the rest of their squad.'"
Chase is in contract so what he wants is irrelevant if Cas don't want to sell him.
If there are massive fees being bandied about, Saints won't be in the hunt.
Having said that - if you do a bit of an investment appraisal - assuming 13 home games: would Chase bring in an EXTRA 360 punters per game over three years? If the answer is yes it makes sense at £25 a ticket.
I suppose it then comes down to cap room - would we be willing to upset the likes of Roby/Lomax by splashing so much on Chase and not matching it for them? If we do match it for them, what sort of a squad would that leave us with?
Lots to consider. Smaller clubs with oodles of cap space will always find these "marquee" signings easier in the first instance, it's building a squad around them that is difficult (just ask the Cowboys in the NRL how they fare building a squad around JT . . . . )
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Lots to consider. Smaller clubs with oodles of cap space will always find these "marquee" signings easier in the first instance, it's building a squad around them that is difficult (just ask the Cowboys in the NRL how they fare building a squad around JT . . . . )'"
It's amazing that Melbourne manage to build a great team around Slater, Cronk and Smith, considering the amount of cap space they must take up.
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| Quote: St. Rughead "It's amazing that Melbourne manage to build a great team around Slater, Cronk and Smith, considering the amount of cap space they must take up.'"
Agreed, doing an incredible job bringing players through to complement the big names. Easier to come into a team with a spine like that though!
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