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| But just because the stadia look the same that does not nessasarily mean that the materials are of the same standard and weight bearing.
My only experience is when we had our loft done. They had options of different RSJ's, they could look identical but bear differing tollerances.
So we may have lower tollerances on our beams as they where planned to carry less weight.
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| The south stand is built differently, It has two rows of vertical beams whereas the other stands have one.
It isn't the weight of cladding in itself that is the problem, it is the air pressure in a gale under the roof once the back is filled in. The roof and back design was open to allow wind to blow through thus making equal pressure above and below the roof. Closing the back completely changes that.
In a gale the roof could possibly blow up and out (rather than what you would intuitively imagine, a collapse down) if the back is enclosed.
Having the back open allows much less steel to be used to keep the roof on, thus saving money.
The 'beams' holding the roof on is a cantilever design. This allows unhindered viewing from all seats. The down side of this design is it is a careful balancing act to get the roof to stay up. Unless you put in another row of vertical 'beams' to anchor the cantilever more securely at the back like was done in the South stand. But that is massively more expensive.
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| Quote: Donkey OTay "The roof and back design was open to allow wind to blow through '"
Yeah and don't we know it!
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| Quote: bewareshadows "But just because the stadia look the same that does not nessasarily mean that the materials are of the same standard and weight bearing.'"
Yes I do accept that, but an established stadia building company would advise and I'm sure would have said if you take this option, cladding can't be used! and it will mean weather elements on supporters and the stadium always looking unfinished.
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| Quote: jaybs "Yes I do accept that, but an established stadia building company would advise and I'm sure would have said if you take this option, cladding can't be used! and it will mean weather elements on supporters and the stadium always looking unfinished.'"
I think that's the basis of the legal stuff going on to see who is liable?
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I think that's the basis of the legal stuff going on to see who is liable?'"
I doubt there is any legal stuff going on. The club tried to cut corners, got burned by a harsh winter last year and are finding it hard finding the motivation to invest in completing the stadium.
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| Quote: Saddened! "I doubt there is any legal stuff going on. The club tried to cut corners, got burned by a harsh winter last year and are finding it hard finding the motivation to invest in completing the stadium.'"
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| im not having that the stadium cant take the stresses of cladding, nearly all stadia are clad and they dont collapse. Nothing the club have said indicates the stadium cant take it, just it needs paying for
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| Bottom line is that they are cheesed off it wasn't included in the original design and they thought it was. The problem is that they want someone else to pay for it because they thought they already had paid for it. Whoever approved the plans on behalf of the club is responsible for this whole damn mess!!!!!!!
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| apart from the legal stuff re stabilty/planning & cost could it be clad up to a certain height then have a gap like they have at the K.C. stadium so the winds can blow thro without stressing the fabric of the stadium.B/hell there was a gap at the top of the scaff/pop side at KR & that was built of brick. it would still cost an arm & a leg so i suppose we will wait for the time being till the money becomes available.COYS.
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| Quote: edon10 "apart from the legal stuff re stabilty/planning & cost could it be clad up to a certain height then have a gap like they have at the K.C. stadium so the winds can blow thro without stressing the fabric of the stadium.B/hell there was a gap at the top of the scaff/pop side at KR & that was built of brick.
According to the Chairman the money was available at the end of last season. The cladding was supposed to have been done in the off season, as stated by the club in a clearly meaningless statement at the end of last season.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Interesting to compare Hull Kr's issues re their new stand compared to Saints fans moans about lack of cladding
The fact others have failed does not make our failings any better.
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| We have the 'stadium can't hold the weight' argument to the cladding problem, would it be an idea to do a building wrap. This could be sponsored too, or even have a photo of the team or the fans or whatever they would want.
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