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| Quote: SaintsFan "Not in the move I watched on Sky during the rugby league match between Warrington and St Helens that took place on Friday night, no. However, the line didn't slide. That is actually what happened.
Meli will always give at least one try away and time will tell as to whether he maintains this sudden enthusiasm for taking the ball forward instead of passing it to the skinniest guy on the field to get squashed. I'm surprised Leeds didn't aim straight for Meli just as they did in the GF. They would have had a lot of joy, as indeed would Warrington (had they actually been able to string an attacking play together without being so amazingly dumb). But Leeds were absolute tosh at our place so upon reflection that they didn't probably wasn't too much of a surprise.'"
So basically like i said its not Meli's fault,you said it was and you again say he will give a try away but the fact is he didnt.I know the line didnt slide and why didnt it slide ? because a player shot out ( and in fairness given the overlap they had he had to ) and the centre went up and in. I do wonder at times what you see or at least what you think you see and ive come to the conclusion that just like an experienced pro will see things that i dont see or quicker than i see them,people who have played the game will see things you dont see or read them a different way to you.
Its personal opinion at the end of the day so your welcome to your point of view and once again i think its a case of agreeing to disagree.
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| Quote: brook40 "So basically like i said its not Meli's fault,you said it was and you again say he will give a try away but the fact is he didnt.I know the line didnt slide and why didnt it slide ? because a player shot out '"
We will continue to disagree on this so I'm saying nothing further than Meli didn't move over. He stayed in rather than dragging his newbie centre out along with him.
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| Quote: brook40 "So the player with number 12 Wilkin written on his back doesnt shoot out of the line ? He does he can see they are weak on that side and he shoots out but misses,Jones is up and in and Meli doesnt have a choice where to stand,if he stays out there is a massive gap,if he stays in there is a gap.Credit Briers for fooling the defence by taking a step the otherway before changing the direction of the play.
Cant fault Meli for it,cant fault Jones for it ( who looked very promising on debut )'"
Couple of quotes come to mind
"You can't win an argument with a fool because they can't tell when they've lost"
"Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig. You get all sweaty, worked up and covered in crap, and after a while you realise... the pig's enjoying itself!"
The loss of Royce Simmons has clearly tipped 'Saintsfan' over the edge.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "We will continue to disagree on this so I'm saying nothing further than Meli didn't move over. He stayed in rather than dragging his newbie centre out along with him.'"
If Jones had come out one, Hodgeson would have just scored the try himself without even having to pass it.
Anyone who puts the blame with a winger for the opposition scoring when they've got a 3 on 2 overlap needs to have their head read.
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| SaintsFan, surely you can see you are fighting a losing battle? The decision to sack Royce was the right one and the try wasn't Meli's fault.
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| Before people raise the victory flag on Iwo Jima let's not forget we have only played two games since Royce left.
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| Quote: Saddened! "SaintsFan, surely you can see you are fighting a losing battle? The decision to sack Royce was the right one and the try wasn't Meli's fault.'"
You are pi$$ing in the wind mate.
She is by far the most stubborn, deluded individual on any forum I have ever been on. And I think she just enjoys the attention she gets by saying such stupid things.
A retarded hamster could see that Meli wasn't at fault for that try. But because she wont admit she got it wrong, SaintsFan will continue to spout drivel and tell us all that he is to blame.
Unfortunately you can't ban people on here for being so wrong 99% of the time. So the only other option is to ignore her. Stop throwing nuts to the monkey and hopefully it'll stop messing around.
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| Quote: Saddened! "SaintsFan, surely you can see you are fighting a losing battle? The decision to sack Royce was the right one and the try wasn't Meli's fault.'"
I'm not fighting any battle. I'm simply expressing my opinion.
We don't know yet whether sacking Royce was the right decision. We have played all of two matches, both of which motivate this team regardless of who is in charge. The third such match is on Good Friday, although I suspect Wigan won't be offloading into our arms as Warrington did so often.
Thirdly, Meli was at fault for that try. Given another time and another set of coaching staff you and the rest of creation would have agreed with me. However, because you are collectively drooling over the most inexperienced coaching team we have ever had in charge, you and others are now thinking the sun shines out of Meli's backside. Alas, I am not as fickle as most on here and I'm also not as willing to treat our new regime differently from any other when they first come on board.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I'm not fighting any battle. I'm simply expressing my opinion.
We don't know yet whether sacking Royce was the right decision. We have played all of two matches, both of which motivate this team regardless of who is in charge. The third such match is on Good Friday, although I suspect Wigan won't be offloading into our arms as Warrington did so often.
Thirdly, Meli was at fault for that try. Given another time and another set of coaching staff you and the rest of creation would have agreed with me. However, because you are collectively drooling over the most inexperienced coaching team we have ever had in charge, you and others are now thinking the sun shines out of Meli's backside. Alas, I am not as fickle as most on here and I'm also not as willing to treat our new regime differently from any other when they first come on board.'"
The fact that it's been two games is irrelevant. So is the fact we've won those games. It was the right call purely because we weren't headed in the right direction under Royce and we certainly weren't improving. If we'd lost 81-0 to Leeds and Warrington it would still have been the right decision.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Thirdly, Meli was at fault for that try. Given another time and another set of coaching staff you and the rest of creation would have agreed with me. '" No one with any knowledge of rugby would blame the winger in that situation, no matter what team or player were involved.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "No one with any knowledge of rugby would blame the winger in that situation, no matter what team or player were involved.'"
Agree entirely. And your comment says all we need to know about our "friend" SaintsFan.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "
Thirdly, Meli was at fault for that try.'"
Because I'm bored at work, I'm going to humour you.
Please tell us all, in perfect detail, just how Meli was at fault, bearing in mind his centre and 2nd row had left him stranded in a 2 v 1 scenario.
This should be fun......
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| Quote: Mugwump "Before people raise the victory flag on Iwo Jima let's not forget we have only played two games since Royce left.'"
Exactly. No trophies won in April.
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| Quote: McClennan "Exactly. No trophies won in April.'"
There may be hope that this form will continue, but I think most people expect the novelty of a new regeime to wear off at some point. I think the buoyent mood is mainly caused by knowing we'll at least give a showing, even if we're bettered, unlike some of the dour losses we suffered earlier in the year.
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| Quote: Saddened! "The fact that it's been two games is irrelevant. So is the fact we've won those games. It was the right call purely because we weren't headed in the right direction under Royce and we certainly weren't improving. '"
Yes we were. Our defence improved against both Hull and Bradford so to say we weren't improving is false. Hull are now running second in the league and so they cannot be total tosh. Also, at Hull and Bradford we did not have Roby. Roby returns and what happens? We go forward with energy and dynamism again. We also got LMS and Gardner back from injury for Leeds, and Soliola returned for Warrington. Nobody knows what direction we were heading in with Royce because he only got seven games. And Purtill went as well remember. I can't see him being the mastermind behind the coaching direction. He appeared to be perfectly ok in McManus's eyes during Potter's regime. Sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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