And a winger, and a back up hooker should Robes be out injured again, and a couple of decent second rowers ...

morely back to roosters

Been saying for while now and had it all thrown in my face.

All I got - we don't need a centre we've got wheeler. We don't need props as we've got perry, laffranchci, TP, clough and LMS. We don't need a halfback we've got lomax, lance, wheeler and Gaskell.

I seen it all coming.

And for my next prediction - Royce Simmons has set us back years! All the crazy $hit he's done will be a long road to recover.

We're fine at centre in the greater scheme of things... We did indeed need 1 or 2 props and a #7 desperately going into this season though (and I've been saying exactly the same for the last year since Kylegate too). You can't sign what's not available though and Lomax will suffice for the next season or 2 until we can bring a pukka SH in and he can move to #1 full time. Most other teams would kill to have Lomax in their team at #7 so we shouldn't be getting too suicical about it. As for props it's a bummer that the club's apparent attempts to sign another one in the summer came to naught, but we still have just about enough strength when (if) everyone's fit and producing the goods, so we'll just have to keep our veritables crossed that that's the case come the playoffs.

If we stick with lomax and gaskell in the halves then we will not be in contention of winning anything in the very near future.

That's not having a dig at the pair of them but IMO if they do turn into the players people think then IMO it will be 2/3 years before they have the experince to guide us around the field.

I'm sure the will have been good experinced halves available.

Like who? Apart from Leon Pryce.....

Problem now is we have 3 very good young halves and Hohaia eating up squad and cap space so bringing in anyone else when we're desperate for a prop or 2 is going to extremely difficult, even if there was anyone on the market.

There are worse things than a season or 2 of rebuilding anyway and every team has to go through it these days... Everyone needs a bit of perspective and to remember that fact. We've had 15 years of continued and unbroken success, a feat that will almost certainly never be equalled in the salary cap era. It just can't last forever when there are so few quality players available these days to replace the legends that have gone over the last few seasons.

It has been reported down under,two things. one is that Jamie lyon was touted by saints at the world club challenge game, and he would be interested next year and that saints are trying to work out a financial package to take him.Secondly, on the coaching front at saints, the name of nathen brown for 2013.

Unless sia goes we don't have a qouta spot a d the fact he's in advanced talks suggests that's not going to happen.

I was chatting to josh perry before the Catalan game at Langtree park and he'd spoke to Lyon as he was over for the WCC and josh said he'd be interested in coming for 2014 season when he's off contract.

I've got sneaky feeling brown will be at saints next year.

i'd be very happy with that, he's done amazing things with Hudds. With the resources availiable at Saints we could be back where we belong in no time

What different resources? I'm sure they spend on salary cap the same as St Helens? Recruitment might be better but that won't happen over a season?

Wilkin and Foster high profile????