Some of you Saints fans need to get a grip.

I can't see you winning a GF, but you haven't actually got a bad side.

There are are obvious issues but some of those can be dealt with pretty easily and you've got some very talented young players coming through.

Looking at some of the issues:

Wellens has never been a world beater (I know you won't admit this, but it's true ). He has unquestionably been a great servant to your club and is a fantastic professional, but his lack of pace has always been an issue and now it is just time for him to be retired gracefully. In the Saints sides of the noughties his awareness and reading of the game covered up his lack of basic speed and he wasn't asked to do as much in defence, now that the team has declined and he has slowed down even further he simply cannot play at top level.

It sounds like your forwards just need a rollicking. What you need is someone senior on the coaching staff who can deliver the required attitude adjustment, the ideal would be a home town lad who played prop for the club and is known for his uncompromising standards and passion for the club. So, a Saints version of Wane, basically...

And then there's the coaching situation. Not sure how easy it would be to get a top coach in now the season is underway. Do you really want to start chopping and changing? This is the toughest call.

Very short term answer would be to get KC to play again bit like Scholes at Man U quality players always give you something i didn't see last nights game but against us you lacked a leader who will grab the rest and bring them with him !!

How quickly the tide turns! when it was first mooted that LMS was on his way from London, you didn't need him! then when he arrived the same people were praising him, but then you had a full pack, not one or two carrying the rest! and now he is not good enough! sad!

I will pay LMS his first class train ticket back to London!

Calm down and look deeper at the problem, as many have said the Eye has been on the stadium and nothing else, perhaps like our young rookie coach Simmons may not be good enough or out of his depth.

This thread makes Paul Wellens sound worse than Richie Mathers.. things cannot be that bad... can they??