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| Quote: SiY "People dislike him as he is good '"
As per previous comments - there's plenty good player past and present who havent been booed and they've played for Wigan
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Peopl calling him a cheat is a bit strong, cheating is like the betting scandal of Long and Gleeson. '"
The only thing those 2 cheated was the bookies (which I find quite amusing as they have insider info all the time) and them selves out of half a season of Rugby and wages - Cheating is taking Steriod's or other drugs to enhance performance (Terry Newton, Gareth Hock ...) or in the case of Tomkins going in with the knee's , clamping arms in the tackle etc etc
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When players in the '90s started to thrash around in the tackle (playing for the holding down penalty) were they considered cheats??
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You mean Jason Robinson .... |
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| Quote: uglybug "Sam Tomkins is the most exciting player in World Rugby at the moment. '"
Take off your Cherry and White specs and then watch a re run of the 2 SOO matches so far. Tomkins is a good player with a bad attitude, would he make either of those 2 SOO teams? I dont think so , in fact he'd be lucky to make the country v city team |
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| Quote: No1 Saint " Cheating is taking Steriod's or other drugs to enhance performance (, Gareth Hock ...) ..'"
Cocaine is not a performance enhancing drug, and I very much doubt he was in the changing room toilets hoovering up lines half an hour before kick off, in which case his reactions would have been enhanced. Im not condoning drug taking at all but it isnt performance enhancing. |
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I think he is a very exciting player, but the moment he tried to end KC's career by tackling him really late hard in the side of his knee as third man (when KC gave a stare that would kill) I lost any respect for the rat.
No need for that what so ever.
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| Quote: 21-12 "Cocaine is not a performance enhancing drug, and I very much doubt he was in the changing room toilets hoovering up lines half an hour before kick off, in which case his reactions would have been enhanced. Im not condoning drug taking at all but it isnt performance enhancing.'"
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Quote: 21-12 ""The acute effects of cocaine probably, overall, would impair and not enhance performance. But within a two-hour window, you may actually have some enhancement - overcoming fatigue, reaction time, and so on."'" |
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| Quote: Two Wheeled Saint "rlhttps://www.aolnews.com/2007/11/02/is-cocaine-a-performance-enhancing-drug/rl
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I doubt he took it on match days as a performance enhancer, il edge my bets and say he took it after a game or at weekends just like a frightening amount of young people do these days. it would be quite obvious he was off his face wouldnt it on a match day. |
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| Quote: 21-12 "I doubt he took it on match days as a performance enhancer, il edge my bets and say he took it after a game or at weekends just like a frightening amount of young people do these days. it would be quite obvious he was off his face wouldnt it on a match day.'"
But you claimed it not to be performance enhancing...
rlhttps://www.pharmacytechs.net/blog/top-10-performance-enhancing-drugsrl
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| Quote: Two Wheeled Saint "But you claimed it not to be performance enhancing...
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It would be performance enhancing an hour before kick off yes, any other time no, and as I said, I doubt he took it on matchdays.
And I doubt he took it to enhance his rugby skills dont you? People dont tend to take Cocaine to become better athletes. |
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| Quote: 21-12 "It would be performance enhancing an hour before kick off yes, any other time no, and as I said, I doubt he took it on matchdays.
And I doubt he took it to enhance his rugby skills dont you?'"
Now that's not for me to claim...   |
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| Quote: Two Wheeled Saint "Now that's not for me to claim... ![]()
What im saying is that Gareth Hock was an idiot for risking his career and life taking drugs and was rightly punished, however, I dont believe for one minute he used Cocaine to be a better rugby player, im pretty sure he will have used it for several different reasons , not to become a better athlete though.
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That he may well have done, but do you know 100% without a shadow of doubt he never had some before a game? only he knows....
He's done his time (fair do's) so he can now get on with RL, but don't claim it's not enhancing.
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| Quote: Two Wheeled Saint "That he may well have done, but do you know 100% without a shadow of doubt he never had some before a game? only he knows....
He's done his time (fair do's) so he can now get on with RL, but don't claim it's not enhancing.'"
Okay. There are plenty things players can take to enhance performance that are well masked. Im pretty sure cocaine would be very low down the list and quite obvious to detect on someone in a dressing room. |
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| Quote: 21-12 "quite obvious to detect on someone in a dressing room.'"
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| Quote: 21-12 "Okay. There are plenty things players can take to enhance performance that are well masked. Im pretty sure cocaine would be very low down the list and quite obvious to detect on someone in a dressing room.'"
What's that Gaz?
Sweetener Sam... 
Why've you put Wigan on your United flag pal, looks a bit sh*t. |
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