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| Quote: roader "Have St Helens got an overseas quota place available?'"
it doesnt seem to bother anyone else
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| Overseas Saints players, Flannery, Puletua, Soliola, Perry, think that's it. What's the quota this year?? ps not certain what passport any have used?
Vatican passport??? (we are the Saints)
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Overseas Saints players, Flannery, Puletua, Soliola, Perry, think that's it. What's the quota this year?? ps not certain what passport any have used?
Vatican passport??? (we are the Saints)'"
I could be wrong but I'm sure than when I looked at our squad and their status, there were only 3 taking up quota spots. I don't think Puletua took one.. Did he use his Samoan passport?
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| Quote: Paddock Punter "It's patehetic by HKR - remind me why we brought in franchising!'"
why is it?
and why does it bother you?
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| Quote: Dux "Are people not confusing de-registration with contract termination? Surely even while de-registered he is still under contract at HKR.'"
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "Correct'"
INcorrect
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| As FTV says on the other thread, what the rfl say and what is legal can be very different
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| Quote: Saint Simon "As FTV says on the other thread, what the rfl say and what is legal can be very different'"
No, the RFL have said his playing contract has been cancelled meaning he has been de-registered and has been placed on their free agent register. Maybe Hull KR have entered into some other arrangement with him where he promises not to sign for someone else but that doesn't mean his original contract hasn't been cancelled.
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| Quote: SEB "No, the RFL have said his playing contract has been cancelled meaning he has been de-registered and has been placed on their free agent register. Maybe Hull KR have entered into some other arrangement with him where he promises not to sign for someone else but that doesn't mean his original contract hasn't been cancelled.'"
And again to repeat what FTV said, thats what bradford thought with Harris and that panned out really well for them didnt it?
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| Quote: SEB "INcorrect:
nope that is incorrect. The player remains a contracted employee of Hull Kingston Rovers.
he is at the moment therefore unregistered to play, so effectively another club could seek to register him as a player however, because he is contracted to rovers they would have to seek rovers permission, which would they would refuse!
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| Quote: Saint Simon "And again to repeat what FTV said, thats what bradford thought with Harris and that panned out really well for them didnt it?'"
This is slightly different, as i recall it.
As part of the agreement to let harris go before his contract was up Leeds agreed to cancel harris contract, yet retained his registration with the rugby league.
Harris after a few years in the union, and the bulls argued that because his contract was terminated they weren't allowed to retain his playing registration, and they were wrong.
A players registration and contract are 2 different things.
With dobson you have a player who is no longer registered (so rovers dont hold his playing registration), however they have a contract with him. so for someone to register him they would have to seek rovers permission or buy his contract out.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "nope that is incorrect. The player remains a contracted employee of Hull Kingston Rovers.
he is at the moment therefore unregistered to play, so effectively another club could seek to register him as a player however, because he is contracted to rovers they would have to seek rovers permission, which would they would refuse!'"
If you know what you have written to be true, please back up with links and quotes proving it. I've read the rules several times and read several quotes backing up what I've said, not what you say. The rules are quite clear that in order to remove a player from the register, their contract must be terminated.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "This is slightly different, as i recall it.
As part of the agreement to let harris go before his contract was up Leeds agreed to cancel harris contract, yet retained his registration with the rugby league.
Harris after a few years in the union, and the bulls argued that because his contract was terminated they weren't allowed to retain his playing registration, and they were wrong.
A players registration and contract are 2 different things.
With dobson you have a player who is no longer registered (so rovers dont hold his playing registration), however they have a contract with him. so for someone to register him they would have to seek rovers permission or buy his contract out.'"
So saints could in theory register him and he wouldn't be able to play for Rovers.
If true i think the other teams should do a whip round and buy his registration and not let Rovers play him. That is what you are saying regards the Harris situation?
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| Quote: jdrocket "So saints could in theory register him and he wouldn't be able to play for Rovers.
If true i think the other teams should do a whip round and buy his registration and not let Rovers play him. That is what you are saying regards the Harris situation?'"
Saints could only register him with the permission of HKR, as he is still an employee of HKR.
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| Quote: HOMER2355 "Saints could only register him with the permission of HKR, as he is still an employee of HKR.'"
Saints could only register him with the permission of the RFL, HKR stopped having anything to do with that once they de registered him. Registrations are held by the RFL, not the clubs. That's why the RFL say he could sign for anyone else.
HKR may well then take him to court in regard to the playing contract he signed, but if Masons Tongan passport does not come through, or the RFL refuse to take him off the quota given this blatent attempt to get round the rules then I suppose Dobson could take HKR to court for restriction of trade or something similar. More likely they will terminate his contract and save on cap space and he'll sign elsewhere if that happens.
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