I only remember him playing once at first grade prior to last season.

Kyle is also over six months younger than Tomkins.

2 appearances in 2007, 15 in 2008.

Though this thread is a bit panto.

He's better,
no, he's better,
no, he's better.

Both have a long way to go.

Good post.

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Nail. Head. Hammer. Except for the spelling of Tomkins.

In all seriousness I think Sam Tomkins will disappear. The real star is his better looking back row brother.

Scouser is as scouser does.

I don't think that's it. Sam has changed his game a lot more this year and is more creative than a running half back. It's also as if we don't have only Sam to rely on now to be a match winner whereas last year he was stealing all the headlines. Joel was starting to get in his comfort zone and wasn't performing to a consistent level that he is now. Sam's pass (1 of many examples this year) for Richards 2nd try at Salford at the weekend is an indication that he won't disappear as much as you'd like him to

I happily think you're wrong, but we shall have to see.

If he's still around in 4/5 years time and on his 3rd Man of Steel trophy will you concede defeat on that one?
I remember Danny Orr throwing the same kind of passes. Tomkins doesnt have the X Factor. Players like Burrow, mcguire, long and Pryce, had it when they were younger.

I stand by my, hes danny orr mark2, claim and I know I will be proved correct in the long run. As I said, he will have a long anf successful career in SL and you cant take that away from him, but he wont be in the same class as any names ive mentioned bar Orr.

You do have a fixation about Tomkins don't you. After all it was you who brought him into a discussion that was about Eastmond.

So you will be proved correct, just as you were with this famous prediction.



What happens to Tomkins, or Eastmond for that matter, only time will tell, but I expect they will be barring injury be first choice England half backs on tour this autumn.

I've lost touch with the passage of time. I was thinking the 2007 season was 2008 then. I don't remember him playing so often in any season before 2009. Where did you get that information from?

The Saints Heritage Site.

This is exactly why I won't accept the point 'Tomkins played more than Eastmond last season'. Eastmond had 17 appearances before Tomkins even had 1!

I still stand by what I said though they are both very different but both very exciting players. For any fan of either side to say that the other player is average or just another Danny Orr is just stupid.