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If the roof design cannot accept full cladding as some have said, how is it the South stand roof design is the same and is clad to the very top. I would have thought a cladded circular design would be more wind resistant than leaving huge gaps where the wind can lift the roof.

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I'm not sure it's the roof that's the issue but the structure holding the roof. I'm sure the builders on here could give a more technical explanation. But I'm sure it's possible that they spent more on the South stand structure to hold the forces in place on that side.

If the supports on the rest of the stadium where cheaper for as they where estimated as having to take less force. ie only the roof and not the cladding, this may explain why the south can and the north can't take the same forces.

I only have a basic understanding though, there plenty more qualified on here as they spotted stuff like the type of cement being used as soon as they walked in the place.

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Every time I see a post on this thread, which is not as often as it used to be I think the work may have started!

I can't understand the problem as the same builders have been involved with several similar projects and they are closed in or have have cladding??

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But just because the stadia look the same that does not nessasarily mean that the materials are of the same standard and weight bearing.

My only experience is when we had our loft done. They had options of different RSJ's, they could look identical but bear differing tollerances.

So we may have lower tollerances on our beams as they where planned to carry less weight.

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The south stand is built differently, It has two rows of vertical beams whereas the other stands have one.

It isn't the weight of cladding in itself that is the problem, it is the air pressure in a gale under the roof once the back is filled in. The roof and back design was open to allow wind to blow through thus making equal pressure above and below the roof. Closing the back completely changes that.

In a gale the roof could possibly blow up and out (rather than what you would intuitively imagine, a collapse down) if the back is enclosed.

Having the back open allows much less steel to be used to keep the roof on, thus saving money.

The 'beams' holding the roof on is a cantilever design. This allows unhindered viewing from all seats. The down side of this design is it is a careful balancing act to get the roof to stay up. Unless you put in another row of vertical 'beams' to anchor the cantilever more securely at the back like was done in the South stand. But that is massively more expensive.

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Quote: Donkey OTay "The roof and back design was open to allow wind to blow through '"

Yeah and don't we know it!

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Quote: bewareshadows "But just because the stadia look the same that does not nessasarily mean that the materials are of the same standard and weight bearing.'"


Yes I do accept that, but an established stadia building company would advise and I'm sure would have said if you take this option, cladding can't be used! and it will mean weather elements on supporters and the stadium always looking unfinished.

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Quote: jaybs "Yes I do accept that, but an established stadia building company would advise and I'm sure would have said if you take this option, cladding can't be used! and it will mean weather elements on supporters and the stadium always looking unfinished.'"



I think that's the basis of the legal stuff going on to see who is liable?

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Quote: bewareshadows "I think that's the basis of the legal stuff going on to see who is liable?'"


I doubt there is any legal stuff going on. The club tried to cut corners, got burned by a harsh winter last year and are finding it hard finding the motivation to invest in completing the stadium.

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Quote: Saddened! "I doubt there is any legal stuff going on. The club tried to cut corners, got burned by a harsh winter last year and are finding it hard finding the motivation to invest in completing the stadium.'"


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We might not have cladding, but the door to the boardroom looks very nice indeed

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We might not have cladding, but the door to the boardroom looks very nice indeed

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im not having that the stadium cant take the stresses of cladding, nearly all stadia are clad and they dont collapse. Nothing the club have said indicates the stadium cant take it, just it needs paying for

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Bottom line is that they are cheesed off it wasn't included in the original design and they thought it was. The problem is that they want someone else to pay for it because they thought they already had paid for it. Whoever approved the plans on behalf of the club is responsible for this whole damn mess!!!!!!!

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apart from the legal stuff re stabilty/planning & cost could it be clad up to a certain height then have a gap like they have at the K.C. stadium so the winds can blow thro without stressing the fabric of the stadium.B/hell there was a gap at the top of the scaff/pop side at KR & that was built of brick. icon_lol.gifit would still cost an arm & a leg so i suppose we will wait for the time being till the money becomes available.COYS.

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Quote: edon10 "apart from the legal stuff re stabilty/planning & cost could it be clad up to a certain height then have a gap like they have at the K.C. stadium so the winds can blow thro without stressing the fabric of the stadium.B/hell there was a gap at the top of the scaff/pop side at KR & that was built of brick. According to the Chairman the money was available at the end of last season. The cladding was supposed to have been done in the off season, as stated by the club in a clearly meaningless statement at the end of last season.

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