The blame for tonight lies mainly with Owens and the pack (as well as Cunningham obviously) if you ask me. From our forwards we had poor line speed, awful control of the PTB speed and consistently put on our backs all night. Even more criminal than this, we were out-enthused.

With regards to Owens, I'm generally pretty reserved with judging players after a couple of matches, but I don't think he's a fullback. Looking beyond his obvious missed tackles and knock ons, his numbering up was really poor. We consistently got our numbers wrong and the blame for that has to lie with your fullback. He's also too sidewards on kicks, which only really works if you're absolutely rapid and can beat players consistently on the outside. In the first half he took a kick on about the 35 after a (rare) good defensive set, went most of the width of the pitch and made maybe 5 metres forward. If he had been really direct he'd have got over halfway and we finish the set on Salford's line. Instead he goes sidewards, gets dominated by an aggressive defensive and finishes with a slow PTB in a corner, meaning we don't get over halfway till 3rd.

I,ve just heard we were kicking on the 3rd and 4th tackle again, the defence and kicking game having completely disappeared from last weeks game. Sounds like the "Jekyll and Hyde" saints has resurfaced. Is Charnock injured because he should have been playing no 9.

Yeah, it was ridiculous. Kicking on the 3rd tackle, ball would land in O'Brien's arms just inside his own half. They'd then have six tackles in our half and for most of the first half were making a break off pretty much every play. They could have scored more in the first half than they did. There really was only Walmsley that can hold their head up and say they tried.

Check out @dearden_91 tweet on Twitter. That's what the old Saints fans would have been doing about now.

This is the Saints version of Paul Cullen, you hold on that little bit longer cos you love the bloke to bits but deep down you know he needs to go.

I think KC would resign once he knows he's not going to be good enough.

Salford fan in peace- we were just the better team. Your pack got moved about and couldn't cope. No o e on your team even tried to get hold of the game. Not being smug, but only 1 of your 17 outplayed ours

You, you were excellent and look much improved over previous seasons. Hopefully you can give poor Marwan a break this season and have a decent year. If SL could get Salford, Hull and Catalans all up challenging for the trophies it would greatly improve the competition. It'll be interesting to see how you go over the next couple of weeks. My take on tonight, as good as you were, is that more if it was to do with our coaching and attitude, but if you can back up tonight it'll disprove that.

Agreed. Thanks

Was JT actually playing?

As they say what a shocker by the whole team. They soon sussed us out; number up on one side - mainly their right and find out we had no full back there. The one from the scrum was absolutely disgraceful. 7 against 2.
Burns and JT avoided any contact. Thompson was out of his depth. I could go on and on and on.

The Roosters could fly out on the same day and still trounce us based on this performance.

And... well done Salford.

Walmsley head and shoulders your best player, you'd better hope he has a mare next week because if the NRL come sniffing and he decides to give it a go you're in deep trouble.

I love this from KC:

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If he thinks its just a mental attitude he has a problem with his own attitude to coaching. Exactly what is his job? He could smell complacency - so I ask again what the f is his job if not at least part motivation ESPECIALLY as he knew it was there.
Read it and weep.