I would agree that Saints don't seem to play for the full eighty. With regard to not playing in the first half, there has been quite a number of games when the points have been on the board in the first forty minutes and the second half has been spent in trying to save the game.
Yes , could be a coaching issue?

No physicality and no creativity is the problem, we're lacking in two major areas.

The thing is every game is going to have a similar reaction, which will be 'IF'.

It's just unknown for any SL side to have no half's. So win, lose or draw, the question will always be what would have happened if??

I think in the cold light of day, the scoreline from Friday people may look at who is out and say hey it's not that bad. If it had been an away match then certainly that would not be a bad result. I think the issue is most fans watch Saints at LP and when most of our losses are at home, it sets a feeling with the majority of supporters.

I think we should not just shout about an individual adding to the millions he has thrown at the club you cant call it investing. Many think we should be averaging fourteen thousand crowds, I wonder if we would achieve that even if the 2006 team where the class of 2013. We have only been in profit on a handful of occasions since 1970 and I think only Leeds and Batley have had consistant balance sheets since the summer era. Half back is becoming more of an issue Wilko looks tired now. Friday was not actually that bad except for the starting props. Charnock looks to have a touch of mongrel about him and I would like to see him given a run with Lance at scrum half

I think the fitness of certain individuals is a key issue - Howarth and Laffranchi were f****d within 20 minutes on Friday. The main difference between the two sides was in the halves for me. In Leon Pryce and Thomas Bosc, Catalan had a Half Back combination who knew exactly what they were doing, and both played superbly well.

I don't think we are as bad a team as people seem to be making out, and the likes of Roby, Lomax, TP and Manu will all make a huge difference for us. Personally, I would play Wilkin at 7, Lomax at 6 and Makinson at 1 once everyone is fit, but the fact of the matter is that we will struggle until we sign at Half Back.

On the plus side, the likes of Swift and Walmsley were superb, but I think Sia Soliola deserves a mention. In all the negativity and critism, it's easy to forget those who have played well, and I think Sia has been superb all year round. He could comfortably slot into any side in the world IMO, and as I say, I think he deserves a bit of credit for what he is doing.

I agree, Makinson's wasted on the wing, and Lomax brings a spark and creativity in the halves that we're lacking with Wellens/Hohaia.

Did anyone notice the distance makinson got on the couple of kicks he made from hand? Whilst they weren't particlary accruate, the first one certinaly went well over the full back's head (before bouncing dead).

Yes. He can welly a ball. I don't think that he was supposed to end up with the ball, like - it was one of those games - but he certainly covered some distance. With a bit of practice, or at least knowing that he is supposed to be kicking, he could be one solution to our kicking problems!

I understand the thinking of this, but I don't agree.

Lomax needs to play the same role he did prior to his injury if we want to get the best out of him: take the game vs Wire when Wilkin/Lomax combination was superb. Lomax is needed back fit to cover the fact we have no recognised HBs.

Even though it went dead, it certainly relieved pressure because we were struggling to get out of our own half. One thing we've been lacking is a long kicking game, the ball normally hits the full back on the 30m line.

If you can get it dead, then its a restart on the 20 AND the opposition needs to wait until all their players get back, which gives us a chance to set a line on the 30. Not perfect, but better than what we often see.

He hasn't brought that spark of creativity in the halves for over 12 months now. Leave him at 1, where both him and the team look better for it.

Having Lomax gives us a clear plan to work on - get him the ball.
There were a few times on Friday when we got to tackle 4 in a half decent position and, instead of running an attacking move, some forward bumbled into the way and drove for half a yard.

People never learn do they!

There is a big difference between playing 6 and 7 to be fair.