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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Sunday v HKR (you remember them)
No Smith.
No Green after nine minutes,

No Mossop, Prescott, Dudson, Gelling or Tuson.

We managed o.k.'"


So you had your first choice 1, 9 and 13 then? Thanks for confirming there is no comparison.

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A few on the Wigan board were of the opinion Tomkins was the difference. So without any halves a glut of others including our main threat Lomax there is no comparison. Take Tomkins out as well as per our last 3 months & there may well be a different scoreline. Results without Tomkins suggest this as well.

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I don,t think it will have as much effect as it does us, Wigoons have a reasonable structure and pattern in place, the winning margin might be less.
We don,t have any structure or game plan at all, its one rugby for us with Sia causing problems now and again.

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The OP raises a valid question notwithstanding all the other permutations that we might consider. Is a team better to utilise players from other positions to fill both half back roles or do you go with younger and likely inexperienced halfbacks in red blooded half back role?

I go with the latter. The alternative is to potentially get whalloped by the likes of HKR, London and Widnes. The beauty of my point here is that you can't prove me wrong while I can reflect on what actually happened.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Sunday v HKR (you remember them)
No Smith.
No Green after nine minutes,

No Mossop, Prescott, Dudson, Gelling or Tuson.

We managed o.k.'"

Still had rat boy though didn't you. How do you normally fare without him?

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Smith and Green are and always have been fall guys, Wigan will want to get their young guys in there at some point soon i.e. Powell, Hampshire, Williams.

From an England point of view it is actually quite exciting having some quality young halves playing for the same club.

Saints on the other hand are just after anyone who can play in the position, we have neither an experenced veteran or quality young half back at the club. It does highlight the difference between the two clubs at present.

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Quote: FearTheVee "So you had your first choice 1, 9 and 13 then? Thanks for confirming there is no comparison.'"


No, Sam went to 6 and Richards to 1.
Thornley went to 5 and Hughes to 4.

Saints decided to move their 1st choice scrum half to full back and send their first choice stand off to Salford.
Missing Gaskell is a bit like Wigan say they are missing Hock.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, Sam went to 6 and Richards to 1.
Thornley went to 5 and Hughes to 4.

Saints decided to move their 1st choice scrum half to full back and send their first choice stand off to Salford.
Missing Gaskell is a bit like Wigan say they are missing Hock.'"


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Who cares about Wigan on here anyway?

This is turning into a Wigan halfback thread.

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Quote: St pete "Who cares about Wigan on here anyway?

This is turning into a Wigan halfback thread.'"



It was the O/P who mentioned the Wigan halfbacks.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, Sam went to 6 and Richards to 1.
Thornley went to 5 and Hughes to 4.

Saints decided to move their 1st choice scrum half to full back and send their first choice stand off to Salford.
Missing Gaskell is a bit like Wigan say they are missing Hock.'"


Saints moved a full back playing scrum half to full back.

Saints sent their useless unneeded player off to Salford.

HTH

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, Sam went to 6 and Richards to 1.
Thornley went to 5 and Hughes to 4.

Saints decided to move their 1st choice scrum half to full back and send their first choice stand off to Salford.
Missing Gaskell is a bit like Wigan say they are missing Hock.'"


Thanks, so your first choice 1, 9 and 13 were all playing as I said.

Who mentioned Gaskell? Gary Wheeler is our first choice 6 when fit and will be again when he's fit.

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What a thread.

As already stated, we are also missing Lomax from full back and Roby from the pack. Our two most dangerous players that are playing in pivot positions.

On the flip side, at least wigan have a first choice half back pairing. I'm not even sure we know what ours is - Wilkin and Wheeler?

Wigan will fare better than us, because they play with a very strong structure that they've established over the past two years, so the new lads will be able to just slip into the moves. As well as having first choice half backs, they probably even have second choce half backs to back them up. They also have a pack that plays as a unit instead of carrying 2 or 3 ambivilent old men.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "
Wigan will fare better than us, because they play with a very strong structure that they've established over the past two years, so the new lads will be able to just slip into the moves. As well as having first choice half backs, they probably even have second choce half backs to back them up. They also have a pack that plays as a unit instead of carrying 2 or 3 ambivilent old men.'"



Which is, in a round about way, the underlying point I was hinting at.

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