Hohaia is so embarrassing how slow he is, he looks as if he has to stop just to think!

totally agree he is a complete waste of the SC money.

Put it this way; if it was one of the home grown kids coming through who was putting in these dreadful performances, he would have been sent back to the reserves a la Foster, but because he is a "big money signing" we persist with him long after we should not be playing him (just like perry).

For me guys it is John Wilkin who is your achillies heel. Giving penalty after penalty away in the second half when you needed to be in our half taking advantage of your extra man, he is well past his best.

I agree. Wellens is a shadow of his former self. Unfortunately, he's also the only back outside of the halves who runs decent lines, has an eye for a gap and backs up.

Even without giving the pens away, he's still not good enough.

wilkin has never been good enough. drastically overated tbh.

As with most players nearing the end, the brain still there but the body no longer is.

I think if makinson was fullback today then he'd have stopped some of them tries.

That's just silly. Wilkin has been a good player for Saints. Had he not arrived in the shadow of Scully (drawing obvious and unfortunate comparisons) I doubt he'd be anywhere near as maligned.

However, it is true to say his form has slipped over the past 18 months or so. To be honest I think the game has passed him by. Second row forwards seem far bigger today than they were five years ago. I remember standing next to Wilkin a few weeks ago thinking "This guy really is small".

It's not too bad when your forwards are on top and the backs are functioning. But when it's time to tough it out Jon is seriously outgunned. It's like watching a destroyer taking on a dreadnought sometimes.

at least makinson as a hindley boy has something to prove against wigan. too many saints players dont seem to care

in terms of wilkin mugwump, its just my opinion but ive always thought of him as a luxury player who looks great in easy wins but in true backs to the wall games he flatters to deceive. not silly at all. think he sums up this era saints team who when it matters just struggle to get over the line. although they have half the ball playing ability youd rather have a JJB/Westwood/HH type second row who would leave it all on the field, every time they play, than wilkin. he just seems to be bog standard in big games.

There seems to be too much 'old pals act' going on at Saints at the moment. With Cunningham right in the middle of it. Surely a recall for Gaskell should improve Lomax who seems lost without him. Lance is a hooker anyway and would be a good interchange option with Roby.

I am sure Wilkin will be enjoying his nice, long, new contract...

Probably true, thing is Wello obviously has the experience and game craft at 1 but the only way Makinson or Swift will learn is to actually play games at fullback ... we really should bite the bullet and make the change asap

It's going to be interesting to see what effect this season has on next years season ticket sales.