I think the clue to the sour grapes is in the 'getting hammered' comment

Amazing how suddenly everybody wants quick ptb's, except of course when their team's defending.

Load of rubbish! You obviously didnt bother watching Boots N All this week when Paul Cullen had a stopwatch on the Wigan Leeds game..... Wigan took around 7 seconds to complete the tackle, Leeds took around 9 seconds.

Ganson was in charge of that match.

And he penalised Fielden for taking FIVE seconds !!

I don't think that's what is being said. What is being said is that the time allowed in the tackle is too long. I think on Boots n All it was timed at 11 seconds for Wigan. That's a lot of wasted time and a lot of boredom for fans. But it isn't up to Wigan to move quickly; it's up to the ref to get them off quickly. In the NRL they have wrestling in the tackle but they get off quickly. They don't scoot; they just don't mess about. It's the messing about that is the problem. But it's a problem which lies with the ref.

I think there's only Ganson who really gets to grips with it.

The jealousy is starting to raise its head again about Wigan. Think you need to look closer to home about why you got hammered rather than moaning about Wigan

It's all well and good wanting a quick play the ball, no problem. But then you need to make sure that the ball is played with the foot, a skill that seems to have been overlooked and is not happening at present.
Far too many players are just going through the motions and it gives too big an advantage to the attacking team

I agree. But can you envison refs being consistent enough to deal with that?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to go back to scooting but nor do I want durge rugby, which is what is given to us when the ref doesn't stop the messing about. Things aren't as bad as last year this season but there is still much room for improvement. A balance has to be found between allowing good defences and providing an opportunity for creative attack. I don't think that balance has been found as yet.

The slow PTB is a way of preventing fast, attacking and entertaining rugby - which is why many feel the game has become boring over the past few seasons. We all fell in love with the sport because of its fast, attacking style of play - and I know a lot of people getting disillusioned because of this. Huddersfield did it a lot last season, and they enjoyed their most successful season since Super Leagues inception. Wigan are doing it this year, and currently top the table.

Wigan are not breaking the rules, they are just adapting their style of play to the change in rules. Sure, its very ugly to watch, makes their plays boring, irritates opposition players and fans, but its effective.

We all want the rules changing as to eliminate these tedious slow PTBs, not to eradicate Wigans successful tactics, purely to restore the entertaining rugby which we all originially fell in love with.

You cant blame Wigan for bending the rules to the max. Its Cynical but its merely a way of reducing the oppositions effectiveness, in the past clubs would merely send a hit man out to remove a star player from the pitch.
Wigan actually tried that against Saints and got away with it with the shot on Graham.

Its upto other teams and players to play catch up with them.

Whats happening is that they are merely getting lots of bodies in at the tackle. The refs then give each player a set amount of time to peal away.

Their tactics are less cynical than Leeds, who introduced us to Chicken wing tactics, with the aim of injuring an opponent.

This thread is ridiculous (with due apologies to the sensible posters!). The ONLY difference between Saints and Wigan's ptb yesterday was that Wigan were able to control the ptb better than Saints. By that, I mean were able to increase the average time at the ptb, not lie on for longer. Saints attempted to slow it down just as much but were unable to do it consistantly. The same thing happened against Leeds last week (as it did for them against Melbourne in the wcc). Paul Cullen showed quite clearly in Boots n All that Leeds had the same tactics. They even put in one 9 second ptb!! The difference is in the level of consistancy. Potter should stop whining and sort it out. The rules are there to be used to your best advantage. There is no requirement for a team to give the opposition an advantage as long as they stay within the rules. If Potter is unable to do prepare his team well enough to play to their maximum advantage he should get out and let someone who can do the job!

Anyone saying Wigan (or Saints) weren't penalised when they got it wrong are just deluded. Look at the penalty count for God's sake! It's no use fans moaning and expecting penalties when the defending team get it right!

Can I just point something out here please (in relation to ALL of the highlighted bits above).
Team P W D L F A Pts
Wigan 9 8 0 1 296 114 16
Warrington 9 7 0 2 281 114 14
Huddersfield 9 6 0 3 234 108 12
St Helens 9 6 0 3 237 166 12
Hull 9 6 0 3 212 157 12
Wakefield 9 6 0 3 192 184 12
Bradford 9 4 1 4 141 187 9
Hull K R 9 4 0 5 147 193 8
Leeds 9 3 1 5 200 159 7
Castleford 9 3 0 6 174 232 6
Crusaders RL 8 3 0 5 138 215 6
Salford 9 2 0 7 111 229 4
Catalans Dragons 9 2 0 7 104 248 4
Harlequins RL 8 1 0 7 86 247 2'"

Get a grip, you wont be missed.

Our tactics were spot on. 13 on 13 we didn't concede a point, great effort!

It's pretty obvious that Wigan are using hudds slowing tactics at the play the ball, good on them, if the refs let them get away with it then so what.

They are getting away with it, so good on them, it's working as they are top of the league and defence has been awesome.

Saints are now doing the same holding down at the play the ball which needs sorting as it's spoiling the game in terms of attack.

It's not wigan who should be getting bagged, it's the refs for letting it go on.