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Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif Tweet from @martinoffiah 23/08/2011: 'Must admit i did love watching Saints- Cunningham Joynt Longy Tommy then Leon, last classic RL team ever'. Even the dark side can't help but love the rebellion.:Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif |
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| If we struggle to a 1 or 2 pt win, or lose, then you should actually be able to hear the thud the extra weight landing on Brown's shoulders causes.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "I hope and expect to see a fired up saints, fancy we'll win comfortably.'"
I said that against Huddersfield
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| Quote: St. Rughead "I said that against Huddersfield
That display reeked of complacency and believing their own hype.
We'll be fine this week and in 2013 generally.
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52916_1378593744.jpg A pint of sweat, saves a gallon of blood. - George S. Patton
In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity. - Winston Churchill
It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. - General Douglas MacArthur
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| Quote: FearTheVee "That display reeked of complacency and believing their own hype.
We'll be fine this week and in 2013 generally.'"
We seem to be victims of a good pre-season with a full squad and very few injuries.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: The Chief "
Lomax was non-existent but playing behind a pack that was dominated, its hard to expect much, and Gaskell just doesn't have the distribution skills for a top class 6 IMO. He's a victim of his size - as a junior his strength was his running game, which isn't as effective at SL level.'"
Gaskell's distribution is better than Lomax's. I've not seen Gaskell throw the number of intercepted passes Lomax does (one game last year he threw 4 iirc) and last weekends game continued that poor passing game with easy passes being thrown badly and behind the player on a number of occasions. This is added to his running game being less and less of a threat. Lomax was hindered in a lot of respects last year being partnered with Hohaia, but it also diverted attention away from his own drop in form.
Personally, I think a move away from 7 would do him good like it did Tomkins. Play Hohaia at 7 with Gaskell at 6 for now as we aren't going to be signing anyone. I do think the skill sets of Lomax and Gaskell compliment each other, but their combined lack of experience is an issue at the moment.
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| Quote: Noel Cleal "There is only one Francis Meli
Yet he managed 10 SOO appearances . Must say that I never saw anything from him that would justify this but 10 is no fluke.
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| Quote: Noel Cleal "Quote: Noel Cleal "People will always find a new Meli.
I'm making one simple observation - flannery was a better defender than manu is. As I said, that's not to say he's a better player, but Manu's defence reeks.
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Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.:Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG |
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Gaskell's distribution is better than Lomax's. I've not seen Gaskell throw the number of intercepted passes Lomax does (one game last year he threw 4 iirc) and last weekends game continued that poor passing game with easy passes being thrown badly and behind the player on a number of occasions. This is added to his running game being less and less of a threat. Lomax was hindered in a lot of respects last year being partnered with Hohaia, but it also diverted attention away from his own drop in form.
Personally, I think a move away from 7 would do him good like it did Tomkins. Play Hohaia at 7 with Gaskell at 6 for now as we aren't going to be signing anyone. I do think the skill sets of Lomax and Gaskell compliment each other, but their combined lack of experience is an issue at the moment.'"
I think whats needed for the Lomax/Gaskell parnership is to get a run 4 to 6 winning games where they are playing on the front foot to gain confidence and develop there control of the team.
The moment the team is under pressure, the lack of half back skill set comes to the fore. Lomax with loose passes and Gaskell drifts out of the game.
Last year with Lomax/Hohaia/Gaskell we had too many games where they were playing like "rabbits caught in headlights" with the failed plan of Wellens and Wilkin attacking the line as an alternative.
Its OK saying our forwards should lay the platform for the half backs, but it works the other way as well. This is what a lot of our half backs in the past did by doing something skillfully inspirational to change the game for our forwards.
My biggest concern is whose bossing the team and showing something inspirational, whose linking the forwards with the backs. A lot of this is got to be the half backs with also the skills to create time and space for others.
Like I,ve said before our half backs are too flat and most of the time engage in a lot of lateral play. A ball playing loose forward like Sculthorpe would help but these are rare now, relying on a prop size unit instead.
Its a pity we can't get Sean Long on board as some form of attacking assistant coach just to accelerate our half backs skillset learning curve, otherwise we have the scenario of a painfully slow process of two inexperienced half learning there trade by there mistakes at cost.
I would also agree it might be better when conditions suit to let Lomax play elsewhere at Full Back for instance, to allow him to develop some attacking skills from deep with more time and space, then bring him back into the halves, or maybe if he is more effective to the team as a whole at full back then leave him there.
Question.......did Swift start life as a potential half back (no 6) I,m not sure.
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| Quote: Judder Man "I think whats needed for the Lomax/Gaskell parnership is to get a run 4 to 6 winning games where they are playing on the front foot to gain confidence and develop there control of the team.
The moment the team is under pressure, the lack of half back skill set comes to the fore. Lomax with loose passes and Gaskell drifts out of the game.
Last year with Lomax/Hohaia/Gaskell we had too many games where they were playing like "rabbits caught in headlights" with the failed plan of Wellens and Wilkin attacking the line as an alternative.
Its OK saying our forwards should lay the platform for the half backs, but it works the other way as well. This is what a lot of our half backs in the past did by doing something skillfully inspirational to change the game for our forwards.
My biggest concern is whose bossing the team and showing something inspirational, whose linking the forwards with the backs. A lot of this is got to be the half backs with also the skills to create time and space for others.
Like I,ve said before our half backs are too flat and most of the time engage in a lot of lateral play. A ball playing loose forward like Sculthorpe would help but these are rare now, relying on a prop size unit instead.
Its a pity we can't get Sean Long on board as some form of attacking assistant coach just to accelerate our half backs skillset learning curve, otherwise we have the scenario of a painfully slow process of two inexperienced half learning there trade by there mistakes at cost.
I would also agree it might be better when conditions suit to let Lomax play elsewhere at Full Back for instance, to allow him to develop some attacking skills from deep with more time and space, then bring him back into the halves, or maybe if he is more effective to the team as a whole at full back then leave him there.
Question.......did Swift start life as a potential half back (no 6) I,m not sure.'"
Swift is a half, yes.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Yet he managed 10 SOO appearances . Must say that I never saw anything from him that would justify this but 10 is no fluke.'"
I have no idea how he got 10 SOO appearances, but he has certainly lunched out on it ever since. How many good games did he have in his time at Saints? I can think of 1. Whilst I never doubted his commitment and effort, it certainly wasn't matched by any skill or ability. I have no problems with solid players in the squad. Clough springs to mind. But wasting a quota spot on a player who is nothing more than solid is ludicrous.
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6017.jpg Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Swift is a half, yes.'"
After the first two rounds of SL I think we could all do with a swift half.
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| From Browns comments, it looks like he see's the side as more of a work in progress. He knows the attack is bad, but so long as we can defend he's not overly concerned at this stage of the season.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "From Browns comments, it looks like he see's the side as more of a work in progress. He knows the attack is bad, but so long as we can defend he's not overly concerned at this stage of the season.'"
Pretty much word for word Pete Gentles take on our early season. Doesn't bode well for a free flowing specticle though does it. Still, looking forward to my first taste of Langtree Park hospitality.
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