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Quote: ClockworkCarrot "How's Flan going for you? Very talented young player who I feel could be outstanding if he's allowed to utilise his ball skills.'"

He's doing great. He jumped straight in at the start of the season and hasn't stopped since. I was really glad he got his first try in the red vee last night. I think he put in an 80 minute stint as well, which at his workrate was immense.

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Quote: BackrowSaint "I seriously want some of whatever you're on. You must be joking. He was our best forward by an absolute mile against Wigan and the only one making decent yards.'"

All our forwards were poor against Wigan. We missed Laffranchi, who is our best forward by a mile at present.

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Swift looks like a good talent, his pace is electric and his step reminded me of Sam Tomkins / Gary Wheeler. Could potentially develop very nicely under Brown and could be the one to replace Wellens at full back in the long term? We shall see, it's early days yet, but he's done well.

Overall, a very professional display from Saints without being outstanding. I don't think we were anywhere near 5th gear, Widnes were just that bad. Our desire to defend was exceptional, summed up when Marsh chipped over Wellens and 3 men chased back to stop him scoring. Meli intercepted the next play and Swift scored from that. The forwards were very keen for work last night and completely dominated Widnes. Two of the unsung heros for me were Clough and Flanagan who I thought were both excellent. Man of the match by a mile was Roby though, the guy is a machine, a definite contender for Man of Steel again on this form.

Overall a satisfying display and with the youth players we have, it's a chance to rest one or two next week against Oldham and give them more of a chance to impress.

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Quote: SaintsFan "All our forwards were poor against Wigan. We missed Laffranchi, who is our best forward by a mile at present.'"


LMS played well against Wigan, he was up for it unlike most of our other forwards.

I agree on Laffranchi tho, he looks the part, he's not your tackle breaking prop but his work rate and attitude is top class.

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Quote: Blobbynator "Swift looks like a good talent, his pace is electric and his step reminded me of Sam Tomkins / Gary Wheeler. Could potentially develop very nicely under Brown and could be the one to replace Wellens at full back in the long term? We shall see, it's early days yet, but he's done well.

Overall, a very professional display from Saints without being outstanding. I don't think we were anywhere near 5th gear, Widnes were just that bad. Our desire to defend was exceptional, summed up when Marsh chipped over Wellens and 3 men chased back to stop him scoring. Meli intercepted the next play and Swift scored from that. The forwards were very keen for work last night and completely dominated Widnes. Two of the unsung heros for me were Clough and Flanagan who I thought were both excellent. Man of the match by a mile was Roby though, the guy is a machine, a definite contender for Man of Steel again on this form.

Overall a satisfying display and with the youth players we have, it's a chance to rest one or two next week against Oldham and give them more of a chance to impress.'"



I agree, I don't think we got out of 3rd gear last night but made it look easy but the definitely a change of attitude last night in defence compared to last Saturday.

I posted earlier that Adam swift looks to have the makings of a fullback. Hes safe, fast and has good foot work but his defence is yet to be really tested.

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Quote: SaintsFan "LMS plays great when the opposing forwards are pitiful, as they were for Widnes. But he was nowhere against Wigan, for instance. For LMS to impress me he has to work as hard in defence, and as hard driving forward when we are being challenged as when we are not.

I thought Shenton had a good game tonight and I was pleased for him. He saw a lot of ball, obviously a tactic, and there may have been a couple more tries had Swift been more experienced. Swift must be about the fourth different winger Shenton's had to play inside, which can't be easy.

Laffranchi has impressed me all season. He got stuck in from the get-go and hasn't let up. Likewise Flannagan.

Hohaia was good again tonight but then he had plenty of space as the Widnes forwards didn't put up a fight. His kicking game was excellent again.'"



No didnt see any of that meself 'not a standoff.
His passing Is rediculously slow,we have no flow.

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Pity we couldn't pair Laffranchi with Jammer. Great player.

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Quote: Carlos Alberto "Pity we couldn't pair Laffranchi with Jammer. Great player.'"

To have had Laffranchi and Jammer in the team together would have been awesome.

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Quote: SaintsFan "To have had Laffranchi and Jammer in the team together would have been awesome.'"

Does this mean speccies are accepting him as a prop and not just a second rower who is filling in? For me he is doing everything we could expect of any prop other than graham. Top pro and top signing.

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Quote: SomersetSaint "Does this mean speccies are accepting him as a prop and not just a second rower who is filling in? For me he is doing everything we could expect of any prop other than graham. Top pro and top signing.'"


We've no option but to accept him as our prop but he's done well and has probably been one of our most consistsnt players this year.

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Quote: SomersetSaint "Does this mean speccies are accepting him as a prop and not just a second rower who is filling in? '"

I would hope so. He certainly looks the part!

Quote: SomersetSaint "For me he is doing everything we could expect of any prop other than graham. Top pro and top signing.'"

Totally agree. He's as near a replacement for Jammer as we could hope for.

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I think anyone will accept him as a prop if he can do the props job. Same as people don't go on about Jamie Peacock previously being a 2nd rower. Some players can make an effective change of places in a team others struggle in the new role they are asked to play.

We are coming close to half a season so if you measure up La Frankis stats with any other prop in the league lets say JP then he's doing pretty well.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

More tries,
Similar meters in less carries
Similar tackles made
less offloads
slightly more tackle busts
a few more penalties but less missed tackles.

So when compared to the England Captain and one of our best props, he's doing ok.
I think anyone will accept him as a prop if he can do the props job. Same as people don't go on about Jamie Peacock previously being a 2nd rower. Some players can make an effective change of places in a team others struggle in the new role they are asked to play.

We are coming close to half a season so if you measure up La Frankis stats with any other prop in the league lets say JP then he's doing pretty well.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

More tries,
Similar meters in less carries
Similar tackles made
less offloads
slightly more tackle busts
a few more penalties but less missed tackles.

So when compared to the England Captain and one of our best props, he's doing ok.


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Quote: bewareshadows "I think anyone will accept him as a prop if he can do the props job. Same as people don't go on about Jamie Peacock previously being a 2nd rower. Some players can make an effective change of places in a team others struggle in the new role they are asked to play.

We are coming close to half a season so if you measure up La Frankis stats with any other prop in the league lets say JP then he's doing pretty well.


He is doing ok but it's a Shame we ain't got a big aggressive tough prop to partner him. I think we lack an aggressor in our pack. Our props a little to nice.

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Quote: St pete "He is doing ok but it's a Shame we ain't got a big aggressive tough prop to partner him. I think we lack an aggressor in our pack. Our props a little to nice.'"

Perry is that prop, or at least so his reputation would suggest. Having said that we haven't has a prop in that mould for many a year. Who was the last big aggressive prop we had? Fogerty? Davidson? Fozzard?

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Quote: bewareshadows "I think anyone will accept him as a prop if he can do the props job. Same as people don't go on about Jamie Peacock previously being a 2nd rower. Some players can make an effective change of places in a team others struggle in the new role they are asked to play.

We are coming close to half a season so if you measure up La Frankis stats with any other prop in the league lets say JP then he's doing pretty well.


Its also worth comparing him to Wigan superstar (sic) prop Lee Mossop
He stacks up very well there as well.

Franki may not be the best prop in the league but he is doing a top line job for us. We just need Perry to make that step up. So far he started off poor and then became a solid prop stopper, but he needs to start making the yards forward more effectively.

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