I'll take that wager

How many penalties did Saints give away against Rovers at Knowsley Road last season?

Didn't you play a game at the Stoop and concede 0 penalties aswell?

Dunno, people have slept since then.

The difference is Leeds' top youngsters play in the first team while yours play in academy games.

Maybe when your old boys retire very soon you will find out the value in that.

You know it is people like you who must make supporters of other teams think we are a set of idiot whingers, you need to wake up and face it, we were undercooked and just came up against a team playing very hot and determined at the early part of the season

Hull KR have drawn with Bratfud and by all accounts _should_ have beaten the Whinos so why are you so keen to bash the ref, you would be better watching the game, it is no disgrace and it is no disaster. face up to it man on the day they beat us not the ref

Smith has reffed us for years, in superleague games up to this year we won 18 lost 7 Away games with him reffing. At home we had won 13 and lost just 2. So that is 31 - 9, if he is bent / hates Saints / etc etc then he aint making much of a job is he.

My advice to you is just watch the game and if we lose take it like a man not whinging like a little girl, we will still be there at the sharp end

I think your perception of these youngsters is distorted somewhat; and will be amplified when the likes of Cunningham & Gidley retire.

Eastmond looks a great prospect granted; and Frodsham has potential to do well but there's not a cat in hell's chance all four will play will play for England in 3 years.

I'Anson is a better prospect than Wheeler and Liam Watts is a better player than Frodsham.

You really need to take a step back and not be consumed by the typical RL media noises and the "bubble" surrounding your club.

You can't compare two players, like Wheeler and I'Anson, who have only played a handful of games each. When they have played a few seasons of Super League then you can determine who is the better player.

Says who? oh you well it must be true

Fair point.

I certainly think all fans of all SL clubs hype up their youngsters to be more than they actually are, but your clubs case, I get a strong impression that is even more so.

Jimmy Lowes hasnt

You lost, move on.

Its written in past plural, so if you don,t understand the thread don't reply. These Wigoons never fail to amuse.