but if you take a look at wire, they too have a fair few older players who are coming to the end of their careers, looks like it's just Wigan who are streets ahead at the moment

More of a gap if the ref hadn't have bottled showing at least 4 deserved cards. Saints are the new Leeds in the protection they get.

scoreline was very flattering to your lot

in reality , you never looked like winning or getting anything like close at any stage

fail to see this and those red v specs need changing

What was the pen count last night ?

Be honest Saints were beaten in every single department of the game last night and that score line more than flatters you.

I agree the score flatterd saints but i was replying to the comment that wigan are streets ahead of everyone which i don't agree with at all.

They are the best team in super league but by no means streets ahead of everyone.

No, it doesn't, but in fairness I don't think you can ever use a final as a yardstick.

The form book goes out of the window, it comes down to something else

A very fair summary.

Streets ahead is over-egging the pudding somewhat.

Ask your coach or players to give Tony Smith a ring. That guy sure know's how to win the finals,.

Mate, I know you're a good poster and probably just defending your team but don't just look at the 12 point drubbing (and I use that word on purpose as the 12 points in no way reflects the dominance Wigan had in that game) and look at the league table. We were 6 points and over a hundred points difference better than Saints over the season as a whole! I think that is pretty comprehensive and whilst it is by no means a certainty that this will be the case next year eventhough it looks very possible, as we stand at the moment you would have to conclude Wigan are, in fact, streets ahead of Saints.

Now I know you like to point to injuries and to some degree it is justifiable, but Wigan have also been hit with injuries all season including to the form player early season, Amos Roberts. He has been unable to regain that form post injury but I think it fair to say Wigan would have been even more devastating had he not suffered the injury. At times this season we've had 7, 8 and even 9 players out at any one time but the difference is, the strength of the squad has meant it has had less of an impact than perhaps on yourselves. In fact squad players who only really came into the team through injuries have turned out to be among the most effective; Farrell and Goulding in particular.

The thing is with injuries is that some are unfortunate accidents, but others are a little more predictable. If your team is reliant on players such as Eastmond, Soliola and the like then injuries are increasingly likely to come into play. It was no different for Hull FC putting all their hopes in an injury plaugued Sean Long. That can't be seen in any way as 'unlucky'. Is the injury situation likely to be any different next year in your opinion with several players coming to the ends of their careers and looking to Eastmond as your guiding light?

pity he doesnt know how to beat saints though..

Wishful thinking regarding leeds.

They'll be well in the mix next year, you'll just have to deal with it.

Not disputing that Wigan are the better team now but the gap was 4 points in the league. So if Saints had won on Good Friday there would be no difference.

Hardly streets ahead, one game.

no,not streets ahead but it looks more positive for Wigan than it does for us imo - Mcguire is a good coach and Rads' input is a big factor I believe
with Leon & Kyle plus Soliola fit the difference between the teams is minimal, again imo