Pity you don't rest it in your mouth.
Can't you just go and play with your pie eating friends (sorry forgot you don't have any apart from jonh - in whatever re-incarnation and that buffoon fistula) and stop spouting this ugly mixture of spite and jealousy?

Get a fecking life.

Whilst i far from think it's the decline of Saints, and I was genuinely upset for you guys tonight (some of my best mates at work are Saints fans), I think Rogues's reaction is maybe just a small reflection of some of the patronising childish crap that's been posted by a [ismall[/i minority of your fans on our board for the past few years - you only need to look at the antics of your south park flavoured friend on pretty much every other board going just as an example.

I'm not condoning it, as personally I think we're all RL fans and shouldn't be looking to point score.

Super League needs all the teams to be growing stronger, and I think this is just a blip for Saints (I can't envisage a long term decline). It will be hard to replace KC, Long, Gilmour, Wellens etc, but you'll get through it.

Look at your INS and outs.

You ain't even got a real coach.

Indeed. Sinfield would never have opted for that drop goal so early in the second half had the team and the coach not thought the task a tough one. An early drop goal is always a sign that a team knows it is on the rack and needs every point. It's just a pity a couple of our players - Meli and Cunningham in particular - couldn't have borne that in mind themselves when they were gifting points to the opposition!

Please tell this to Mr.Peacock and Mr.Senior.

Being 30+ doesnt seem to have dented their abilities too much does it.....

I agree and whilst i'd take our squad over yours those saying the decline of saints is on are way off the mark.
You are rebuilding no-doubt and the resonsability within the team is changing but IF you are in decline then the rest of the league must be looking to improve 110% because you are still the 2nd best team in the league.

Spot on mate. That's what I'm saying.

It will be Leeds and saints again in 2010 with maybe the wolves there or there abouts.

why the pie-eaters keep coming on here mystifies me..
theyv'e had more coaches than the national express bus company and still won naff all.

It is quite amusing really to see Wigan fans crowing over Saints not winning a trophy, rather than bemoaning the fact that they were beaten in 2 semis! As a Wire fan, I would still be very wary of any Saints team, whoever they are playing.
But, if this crowing helps them through the dark winter nights in King Street, who are we to deny them.

There seems to be a lot of understandable anguish on this board. But it was extremely close. As a Leeds fan I thought our disputed try was offside but then again I thought Eastmond's was a knock-on. What I do see from the outside is a club that seems to not be clicking as they once were. If this is your worst year most clubs would take it and be pretty pleased about it.

Saints have had the backbone players of Long, Cunningham, Wellens and Sculthorpe throughout the successful era with equally good supporting players like Martyn, Joynt, Newlove, Albert, Lyon etc. Those good supporting players have been replaced with Wilkin, Pryce, Gidley etc but there haven't been any replacements to the backbone players and that is why when KFC retires that will be it for you men.

Flannery/Clough has replaced Sculthorpe

Eastmond to replace Long (Decent player but has he the character to deal with the pressure of organising/playmaker for a full season?)

Roby/Moore to replace KFC- Both decent players but not the same league as KFC in his prime.

Lomax to replace Wellens - Half decent player he could be a cracker in a few years along with Wheeler but not ready yet.

As with Wigan when we lost backbone players like Farrell, Radlinski, Newton, O'Connor etc we didn't replace them but now are bringing them through in O'Loughlin and Tomkins.

Face facts, a few barron years await for Saints fans I'm afraid.........oh wait no I'm not.

The last two seasons have seen the same prophecies.

The fact is the club needs to think carefully about the direction it's going in, and some decisions need to be made on players who have become fixtures at the club (Gardner, for example: as much as I admire his earnest approach, he is no longer improving and offers nothing beyond tidy close range finishing. Despite this he's taking up an international's wage on our SC).

That said, we are hardly in dire straits. We'll be stronger next year with an actual front row, and with Eastmond providing a lot more zip from first receiver (say what you like about how we'll miss Long ... he's been either injured or rubbish for most of this season). Add to that some power out wide with Soliola and hopefully Puletua out in the second row where he belongs.

The question is whether the likes of Wigan will grow some balls and actually provide a genuine challenge to Saints and Leeds rather than toughing it out with the likes of Wakefield and waxing lyrical about their reserve teams.