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[quote="boz the warrior":1udbj28j]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:1udbj28j]
wigan skoolz rule!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46250.jpg |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "We've just had an in depth discussion on the subject.
Where is the RFL's statement.
If it was only "There will be a statement shortly"
The silence is deafening.
As much as people criticised Mo Lindsay there would have been some sort of response by now.'" yes he would have said
"these things don't happen at wigan" then promptly taken all the money out of celtic's bank account and transfered it into wigan's to ensure that no one knew about fielden's ridiculous transfer fee and sallary cap breaching wages!
i could go on but the venom in my throat is begining to stick!
god i hate that man, the man who tried everything to ensure his wallet was full at the expense of rugby league (with the exception of one club)
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[quote="boz the warrior":1udbj28j]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:1udbj28j]
wigan skoolz rule!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46250.jpg |
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| the man who thought widnes and wire should merge!
that calder was a viable option for a yorkshire hybrid team name
aarrrggghhhh! i will stop now before i get carried away!
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1649_1338292262.jpg I have followed the LONDON CLUB since I was in my teensl even though born in St Helens and still live nearby and went to the first game at Fulham, also Big West Ham Supporter:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1649.jpg |
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| If News International had never come into Rugby League we would never have been in the position we are today, the real problem is the major funding from Sky has been totally wasted mostly on vastly increased wage bills, okay nothing like footballers, but if Sky were ever to withdraw or reduce funding (This season they only paid £250,000 for the Charity Shield) our game will go back to being semi-professional and even part time.
There is a problem in London, more amateurs and sometimes young people are playing the game than in many parts of the North, but for some reason these who participate are not being turned into becoming loyal fans and supporters. Is it just the size of London, I hear some people in St Helens area of Eccleston tell me they that many of them will not go to the new ground regular, as they have always walked to Knowsley Road, if people have that mind thinking is it a reflection of our game?
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11659.jpg Phil Bentham scoured the video tape and despite conclusive evidence that Smith was a half yard offside, he allowed the try to stand.
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Saints are a big-game team with bags of big-game experience. They have won five Challenge Cups from six final appearances in the Super League era and have won five Grand Finals in that time too.
Add two World Club Championships to that and you have the roll-call of the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern-era - and it's a phenomenal record.
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Ancient & Royal wrote....
"You are proud to be associated with that dis-organised band of mercenaries?
I am ashamed to be a Wigan fan hell yes, what have we got to be un-ashamed about? We are a joke, a laughing stock, we are NOTHING, why cant people understand!":11659.jpg |
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| Quote: SaintsFan "The only reason I support the Celtic Crusaders project is because I want to see rugby league played in as many places as possible.'"
Well I'd like to see super league rugby in Widnes as they deserve it, plain and simple and meet the RFL criteria. They'd have the 7th or 8th best supported team in the comp above/equal the likes of Salford, Wakefield, Harlequins, Huddersfield and Castleford.
Fact is that expansion is great in principle but NOT at the expnse and possibly survival of established well supported clubs in the heartlands.
Look at the track record.
Gateshead - Failed
Paris - Failed
Catalans - success (Rugby league hotbed as people have said)
Is there anything to suggest at all that a team in a non heartland area and with a low density of population in Celtic's case can sustain a SL standard team? No I don't think there is.
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1649_1338292262.jpg I have followed the LONDON CLUB since I was in my teensl even though born in St Helens and still live nearby and went to the first game at Fulham, also Big West Ham Supporter:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1649.jpg |
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| There are still many RL Clubs in the heartlands that will never attract big attendances to Super League standards, i doubt Leigh will ever except for one or two Derby matches. But as I said earlier it is pity help us if and when Sky do withdraw if it say became a parochial small time game again. I don't like Murdock and News International but he saved our game, I bet he will never back away from Union!
It just annoys me how still every week in the letters pages of the weekly RL press this debate still goes on about teams who did not make the cut for the first Super League Franchise round, it is over and done, the past now! but I have so much respect and admiration for the Widnes Chairman, what an example to so many others, not one word, her just got down to the job in hand to ensure they make it next time around and I have no doubt they will!
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40764_1260374436.jpg an atmosphere that isn't created by people in matching shirts clapping along to a drum or novelty PA music might be nice!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40764.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Well I'd like to see super league rugby in Widnes as they deserve it, plain and simple and meet the RFL criteria. They'd have the 7th or 8th best supported team in the comp above/equal the likes of Salford, Wakefield, Harlequins, Huddersfield and Castleford.
Fact is that expansion is great in principle but NOT at the expnse and possibly survival of established well supported clubs in the heartlands.
Look at the track record.
Gateshead - Failed
Paris - Failed
Catalans - success (Rugby league hotbed as people have said)
Is there anything to suggest at all that a team in a non heartland area and with a low density of population in Celtic's case can sustain a SL standard team? No I don't think there is.'"
Cheers mate for your kind words.
Whislt I do agree, I try really hard not to come across as bitter and twisted. I think SOC's attitude should be applauded though, like the Quins fan above stated he has knuckled down since hearing of the 'rejection' last July. Although i must be honest, I always had us down as a rank outsider anyway,despite the fact I thought our bid was the most honest and professionally put together.
Was reading through a programme the other day from 2003, we played London at home on Good friday, was a crowd of over 7000. OK that to some may not seem like a lot, but for a town of just about 60000 with a massive influx of 'scouse overspill' I feel it to be quite impressive.
Anyway, I feel providing we win at least one more NRC and possibly a GF, and keep a steady average gate preferably above 4000 we should be a safe bet. But I wouldn't trust the rfl as far as I can throw them ![Sad icon_sad.gif](images/smilies//icon_sad.gif)
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7880_1279366131.jpg CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2006,'07 & '08
Giant killers, Dragon slayers & Airlie Birds wing clippers
75-0 thats a record score... 16 yrs of misery, gone in 80 minutes
If God took up rugby league then his name would have been Vollenhoven with AJ Murphy along too:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7880.jpg |
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| we need a cumbrian contingent, drawing from the big 3 professional clubs up there.
Cumbrian is an RL hotbed and could support a franchise
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| Quote: nikos "we need a cumbrian contingent, drawing from the big 3 professional clubs up there.
Cumbrian is an RL hotbed and could support a franchise'"
I'd agree but imo it shouldnt be at the expense of a team in Wales ... people need to give the welsh team some time and this little mishap should be looked at along with all the other factors when the licences come up again.
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23338.gif Wellens 3/10 Like public transport. Late, slow and stunk
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| Quote: No1 Saint "I'd agree but imo it shouldnt be at the expense of a team in Wales ... people need to give the welsh team some time and this little mishap should be looked at along with all the other factors when the licences come up again.'"
I beg your pardon ![Exclamation icon_exclaim.gif](images/smilies//icon_exclaim.gif) , are you now coming round to the fact Im always right? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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40218_1286737075.jpg Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg |
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| Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Well I'd like to see super league rugby in Widnes as they deserve it, plain and simple and meet the RFL criteria. They'd have the 7th or 8th best supported team in the comp above/equal the likes of Salford, Wakefield, Harlequins, Huddersfield and Castleford.'"
Fine. And maybe Widnes will get in next time around. That doesn't mean to say Celtic Crusaders will or should not be in Superleague. They have two more years at top flight. If they come through this debacle unscathed and if they recruit wisely (they certainly have more time than last time) then if they meet the criteria they shouldn't be ejected from Superleague just to let Widnes in.
Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Fact is that expansion is great in principle but NOT at the expnse and possibly survival of established well supported clubs in the heartlands.'"
I'm quite sure all clubs in the heartlands would consider themselves justified to take up a Superleague spot, if only because they've been around since the year dot. But that isn't feasible unless we go back to the old system of one league. So there has to be some distinguishing criteria and if there are heartlands clubs - well followed or not - who don't meet that criteria then they cannot be in Superleague.
Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Gateshead - Failed
Paris - Failed
Catalans - success (Rugby league hotbed as people have said) '"
Gateshead is still going. I could have sworn I sat watching Saints play them just a couple of months ago.
Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Is there anything to suggest at all that a team in a non heartland area and with a low density of population in Celtic's case can sustain a SL standard team? No I don't think there is.'"
Return to me in two more years and let's see whether what you say is justified.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Fine. And maybe Widnes will get in next time around. That doesn't mean to say Celtic Crusaders will or should not be in Superleague. They have two more years at top flight. If they come through this debacle unscathed and if they recruit wisely (they certainly have more time than last time) then if they meet the criteria they shouldn't be ejected from Superleague just to let Widnes in.
I'm quite sure all clubs in the heartlands would consider themselves justified to take up a Superleague spot, if only because they've been around since the year dot. But that isn't feasible unless we go back to the old system of one league. So there has to be some distinguishing criteria and if there are heartlands clubs - well followed or not - who don't meet that criteria then they cannot be in Superleague.
Gateshead is still going. I could have sworn I sat watching Saints play them just a couple of months ago.
Return to me in two more years and let's see whether what you say is justified.'"
They have just been re-named
Now known as the North Queensland Thunder ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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40218_1286737075.jpg Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "They have just been re-named
Now known as the North Queensland Thunder
You stalking me?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SaintsFan "You stalking me?'"
Do you want to be stalked ?
Just perusing some of the club boards now that things have settled down on the VT and the Celtic boards
The issue with the use of these players is not what has happened in SL this year or wether they should remain in SL next year , the answers to those questions are
Not a lot and yes they should
The issue is that they have had a potential massive effect on clubs in the NL's
They have denied a club promotion to NL 1 in 2007 and they have also denied a NL1 club from qualifying to apply to SL in 2011
Just imagine how the fans of the club finishing 3 rd last year in NL 1 feel at this moment , They would have made the 2007 NL 1 GF which would have allowed them already to be preparing a SL application
The implications of that are huge
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11659.jpg Phil Bentham scoured the video tape and despite conclusive evidence that Smith was a half yard offside, he allowed the try to stand.
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Saints are a big-game team with bags of big-game experience. They have won five Challenge Cups from six final appearances in the Super League era and have won five Grand Finals in that time too.
Add two World Club Championships to that and you have the roll-call of the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern-era - and it's a phenomenal record.
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Ancient & Royal wrote....
"You are proud to be associated with that dis-organised band of mercenaries?
I am ashamed to be a Wigan fan hell yes, what have we got to be un-ashamed about? We are a joke, a laughing stock, we are NOTHING, why cant people understand!":11659.jpg |
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Fine. And maybe Widnes will get in next time around. That doesn't mean to say Celtic Crusaders will or should not be in Superleague. They have two more years at top flight. If they come through this debacle unscathed and if they recruit wisely (they certainly have more time than last time) then if they meet the criteria they shouldn't be ejected from Superleague just to let Widnes in.
I'm quite sure all clubs in the heartlands would consider themselves justified to take up a Superleague spot, if only because they've been around since the year dot. But that isn't feasible unless we go back to the old system of one league. So there has to be some distinguishing criteria and if there are heartlands clubs - well followed or not - who don't meet that criteria then they cannot be in Superleague.
Gateshead is still going. I could have sworn I sat watching Saints play them just a couple of months ago.
Return to me in two more years and let's see whether what you say is justified.'"
Gateshead is a re-formed club, the original Thunder were absorbed by Hull, read your SL history, same as Sheffield with Huddersfield.
Widnes do meet the Criteria, they were denied by their recent financial history and yet Richard Lewis had promised them that it would not go against them. He went back on his word, fact.
Also Celtic were promoted from NL2 to NL1 on false pretenses as they had some of those now deported/banned players in that side that came up in 2007 to play in NL1 in 2008.
In case you didn't know you had to be in NL1 to apply so by definition they should be kicked out the comp as they would not have been in a position in 2008 to even submit a SL licence application, let alone have it accepted. ![NAUGHTY eusa_naughty.gif](images/smilies//eusa_naughty.gif)
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