Agree 100% Joker

Yeah, but isn't that just because he's at Saints. He's just an average player that's got a good team round him, that's all really.

Evening muppet.

You insinuated that Graham wouldn't do very well in the NRL. It is an obvious tone in your post.

I would suggest Graham is the one young British player we have [icertain[/i to do well over there. You see, all the NRL expects from a prop is consistent metre makers who provide you with field position. See the stats from Graham to confirm he is the best at doing this but he also possesses superb hands and strong defence.

I am pleased to see Ellis do well over there, its still early days yet but he should go fine as he has superb defence and is a strong runner. Peacock I think would also go well as he is a top player, as is Graham.

I suspect you're a Wiganer so admittedly lately you wouldn't know a top player if he bit you on the backside. Please try to show an ounce of brains when you post something.

Resorting to childish insults already?

Its nice to see you think I'm a muppet when it is distinctly obvious you didn't read my post properly and we both know that so now you are trying to cover it up by taking what I said out of context

The only thing I said was he wouldn't do as well as Ellis and that is my opinion and I think quite a few people would agree so if that is 'not showing an ounce of brains' then I do apologize

I actuallly happen to think Graham is a really good player (as much as it pains me to admit it to people like you) and I do think he could handle it if he went to the NRL but I don't think he would do as well as Ellis will. If you disagree with me thats fine, I couldn't really care less if you agree or not.

0/10

If he can't take a bang on the chin and a transfer to a pack without two 20 stone props, what makes anyone think he could hack it in the top competition in the world?

Well done to Ellis, I hope he does well. Mason shouldn't be touched with a bargepole, nothing but trouble everywhere he goes.

In his prime he would have hacked it. He hacked it for GB against the Aussies before without 'two 20 stone' props.

Cue the Mason remarks about when he played for GB ...

all of our players are average at best, its the players around them that make the look good

Ah yes, the old list

Wellens - Carthorse, slow, past it
Gardner - Over-rated, rubbish, can't catch
Gidley - Possibly the only one any good, but old and past it
Gilmour - Never a centre
Meli - Nuff said
Pryce - Off to get bummed in the showers, and didn't show up for the world cup
Long - past it, show pony, needs a hair cut
Graham - Ginger, scouse, only good because of the other players
The King - Past it
Hargreaves - Wigan reject, only good because of the other players
Wilkin - show pony, not big enough, good enough
Puletua - Over-rated, over the hill, over here
Flannery - Who?

Roby - One trick pony
Fa'asavalu - Past it
Clough - not good enough
Cayless - Crock

thats quite good but what about all our overrated kids?

Only a couple questions then?

Right well, Fielden at his prime was the best forward in the world so I don't really need to say much more as to why I think he would of been alright down under. I should of said Peacock at his best and I only said he could probably make it. I think JP is a fantastic player and would have gone alright down there.

I don't think the position of the 2 players really affects how well they would do really. The things that seperate them? I think Ellis has more experience and controls his temper better. Graham tends to show when things get to him and can lose his rag a bit. Ellis doesn't do this and would focus his agression better. He was definitely the best back rower in super league (by a long way) and IMO he was also the best forward in super league. You can throw all the stats you want at me but I don't think they show the full picture. As for him being a Saints player, I already admitted I thought he was a really good player (you wouldn't get that out of a lot of opposing fans) and Ellis is an ex Leeds player and everyone hates Leeds Ellis has recieved a lot of praise after his first 3 games down under and its not like the Aussies to praise a pommey for nothing so that shows he must be good. As for Steve Price giving him praise, it is deserved, not too sure I agree with him as I think he was/is the best prop in world rugby. That enough for ya?

I would suggest both Peacock and Graham are better players now than Fielden has ever been, even at his best.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Fielden then

I still think Ellis controls himself better and Graham has a lot to learn yet whereas Ellis is entering his prime and is England's best player (best back rower vs best front rower but I think Ellis stands out more in comparison to other back rowers than Graham does in comparison to front rowers- maybe down to strength in depth in the area though) Ellis seems to stand up more on the big occasion as well but again this is my opinion and I'm sure you will disagree

The backs are awful though

He's getting praise from the Aus Press, which is impressive in itself.

The funny thing is, I have actually heard all of that from opposing fans. Jeez, imagine how good we would be if we actually had some good players!