Have to admit,song of the night goes to the Salford fans 'Its just like playing in church . sssssshhhhh'

Creative = create opportunities for our players. Having some unpredictability so the opposition for once do t know what we doing unlike now.

What's good enough = for a team like saints who's in the grand final almost every year, I'd expect at least to make the final.

Gaskell and to a lesser degree Lomax fits your meaning of creative.

We aren't the same team even as last year. We'll be very fortunate indeed to get to the Grand Final this year. I think our time for yearly visits is over. But that has nothing to do with Gaskell or Lomax.

for me gaskell is playing better than leon at the moment and should be starting leon aint showed nothing since coming back to play before gaskell or lomax

I'll try and out it another way fir you then...

Why can't we break teams down when we are getting in good field position and tons of possession ?

Wigan and Warrington would have put 60 on Salford last night.

Because we are operating with one functioning halfback in Lomax. Pryce has gone on vacation. I've been deeply disappointed in Pryce. He came on for his first session back and had an immediate impact on both sides of the pitch and we looked like a coherent team again. He was ok against Cas too. But since then he's just disappeared and I think that is because he made his mind up to go to the Dragons.

Personally, I'd be happy just to kick Pryce into touch like we did Eastmond and play with the yoof. We aint going to do much better with Pryce who can't be ahsed so we may as well go with those who have worked hard to get us to third.

Although I'd probably swap Lomax for Wheeler.

So would we had we managed to keep hold of the bloody ball for longer than five minutes. The coach has been sorely lacking in fixing that problem and it is costing us.

But lomax and Gaskell have been the halves most of the year.

I knew I would regret discussing this with you because you don't actually want to discuss it. So, just to make you happy and NOT because I believe this (because I don't) I will stating the following:

St Pete. Our halves are rubbish and we are never going to win anything ever again especially if that fullback who can't catch a bomb Hohaia plays at seven.

Is that ok now?

Goodnight!

yes they are good enough and creative enough for 2012. And they will have an experienced half back in Lance.

For me the problems start and end with Simmons, a really nice guy, but bereft of ideas about the modern game, there is not one facet of the game we have improved on since he came, (apart from injuries and confusing everyone by playing 16 players out of the 17 in most games, great strategy this!!!) No wonder Eastmund, Graham and Pryce are going.

First post so go easy on me.

I think thats a very fair assumption. We have lacked a good halfback since Sean long got crocked at saints two years before he left and it's no great shock that weve not won anything.

I also agree with saint Petes comments, it's all well and good saying go with lomax and Gaskell but to je honest they ain't matured enough and ready to lead a side looking to win cups. If we do go with the youth in the halves then we need to give them 3 years to mature and develop into super league class halves.

How many on here are patient enough to wait another three years in the shadow of Wigan?

I don't think anyone doubts lomax and Gaskell have good potential but it's glaringly obvious we are in dire need of a good experienced halfback and I don't think lance hohaia is the man.

I'm sure time will tell.